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Old 12-23-2011, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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The Dems have become the party leading the effort to squash freedom, the party of Big Government telling us how to live our lives. This is a good example of their nanny state mentality.



Dick Durbin: Ban Flavored Cigars—for the Children

Posted on December 23, 2011, 2:08PM

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A couple of weeks ago, I noted that if the FDA chooses to regulate cigars it could decide to follow New York City's asinine example by banning flavored varieties because they supposedly encourage kids to smoke. Last week five senators—Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), and Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.)—urged the FDA to do just that:


The notion that adult products cannot be tolerated if they might appeal to children—which is also the premise underlying the statutory ban on flavored cigarettes and the agitation against sweet-tasting alcoholic beverages—is offensive to anyone who thinks the government should not treat adults like children. It is also an open-ended license to ban all potentially hazardous products, since adult things appeal to kids precisely because they are marks of adulthood. Even if we ignore these concerns, Durbin et al. offer zero evidence, aside from bald assertion, that flavored cigars are particularly popular among minors. Not that the lack of evidence will necessarily be an impediment: Congress banned flavored cigarettes even though they accounted for a tiny percentage of underage consumption. The one exception was menthol, which by some crazy coinicidence is the one flavor that remains legal, thanks to legislation that Durbin himself championed (as Michael Siegel points out), along with Philip Morris, which sells menthol varieties of several different brands.

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Old 12-23-2011, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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The Dems have become the party leading the effort to squash freedom, the party of Big Government telling us how to live our lives. This is a good example of their nanny state mentality.



Dick Durbin: Ban Flavored Cigars—for the Children

Posted on December 23, 2011, 2:08PM

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A couple of weeks ago, I noted that if the FDA chooses to regulate cigars it could decide to follow New York City's asinine example by banning flavored varieties because they supposedly encourage kids to smoke. Last week five senators—Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), and Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.)—urged the FDA to do just that:


The notion that adult products cannot be tolerated if they might appeal to children—which is also the premise underlying the statutory ban on flavored cigarettes and the agitation against sweet-tasting alcoholic beverages—is offensive to anyone who thinks the government should not treat adults like children. It is also an open-ended license to ban all potentially hazardous products, since adult things appeal to kids precisely because they are marks of adulthood. Even if we ignore these concerns, Durbin et al. offer zero evidence, aside from bald assertion, that flavored cigars are particularly popular among minors. Not that the lack of evidence will necessarily be an impediment: Congress banned flavored cigarettes even though they accounted for a tiny percentage of underage consumption. The one exception was menthol, which by some crazy coinicidence is the one flavor that remains legal, thanks to legislation that Durbin himself championed (as Michael Siegel points out), along with Philip Morris, which sells menthol varieties of several different brands.

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OMG, Pubs can be such hypocrites.
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Old 12-23-2011, 09:55 PM
 
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The Dems have become the party leading the effort to squash freedom, the party of Big Government telling us how to live our lives. This is a good example of their nanny state mentality.



Dick Durbin: Ban Flavored Cigars—for the Children

Posted on December 23, 2011, 2:08PM

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A couple of weeks ago, I noted that if the FDA chooses to regulate cigars it could decide to follow New York City's asinine example by banning flavored varieties because they supposedly encourage kids to smoke. Last week five senators—Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), and Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.)—urged the FDA to do just that:............................................. . Hit & Run : Reason Magazine
Well, Fmr. impeached Pres. Bill Clinton does want an official 3rd term. They could just be protecting the interns.
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Old 12-23-2011, 10:02 PM
 
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The Dems have become the party leading the effort to squash freedom, the party of Big Government telling us how to live our lives. This is a good example of their nanny state mentality.



Dick Durbin: Ban Flavored Cigars—for the Children

Posted on December 23, 2011, 2:08PM

|
A couple of weeks ago, I noted that if the FDA chooses to regulate cigars it could decide to follow New York City's asinine example by banning flavored varieties because they supposedly encourage kids to smoke. Last week five senators—Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), and Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.)—urged the FDA to do just that:


The notion that adult products cannot be tolerated if they might appeal to children—which is also the premise underlying the statutory ban on flavored cigarettes and the agitation against sweet-tasting alcoholic beverages—is offensive to anyone who thinks the government should not treat adults like children. It is also an open-ended license to ban all potentially hazardous products, since adult things appeal to kids precisely because they are marks of adulthood. Even if we ignore these concerns, Durbin et al. offer zero evidence, aside from bald assertion, that flavored cigars are particularly popular among minors. Not that the lack of evidence will necessarily be an impediment: Congress banned flavored cigarettes even though they accounted for a tiny percentage of underage consumption. The one exception was menthol, which by some crazy coinicidence is the one flavor that remains legal, thanks to legislation that Durbin himself championed (as Michael Siegel points out), along with Philip Morris, which sells menthol varieties of several different brands.

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So you are angry at the Democrats for not wanting kids to smoke flavored cigars? Huh??? What planet do Republicans live on anyway?
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Old 12-23-2011, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Yucaipa, California
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Politicians sure are law crazy esp in ny & ca. I guess its a power thing.
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Old 12-23-2011, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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So you are angry at the Democrats for not wanting kids to smoke flavored cigars? Huh??? What planet do Republicans live on anyway?
If you can ban flavored tobacco, why not ban flavored booze?
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Old 12-23-2011, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Wow, so we shouldn't ban flavored cigars marketed to children to be truly free?

Who knew, I always thought an 8 year old smoking a stogie represented freedom /sarcasm
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Old 12-23-2011, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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So you are angry at the Democrats for not wanting kids to smoke flavored cigars? Huh??? What planet do Republicans live on anyway?
So I should be deprived of flavored cigars cos some people can't parent their kids right?
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Old 12-23-2011, 10:12 PM
 
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So I should be deprived of flavored cigars cos some people can't parent their kids right?
More accurately, you should be deprived of flavored cigars since lefties don't like smoking.

For the children my ass.
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Old 12-23-2011, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Wow, so we shouldn't ban flavored cigars marketed to children to be truly free?

Who knew, I always thought an 8 year old smoking a stogie represented freedom /sarcasm
Anyone caught selling tobacco to kids has their license lifted.
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