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View Poll Results: Would a system of voting on how tax dollars are spent be better for the US people than the current s
yes 5 55.56%
no 4 44.44%
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Old 12-26-2011, 07:10 AM
 
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i got an idea about how to improve the American government, to bring us back to being an actual democracy.....instead of paying politicians to lie, cheat and make us all look bad in the eyes of the world......

why not use the technology of the internet and the data from databases maintained by the Drivers licensing department or the vital records dept. in each state to have a new voting system where your vote actually counts as your vote.....using fingerprints as a way to log on.....the infrastructure of the website, the security and those who would be needed to maintain the server, ect. would be my only real concern with the integrity of the validity of each vote.....REMEMBER THE FLORIDA VOTE RE-COUNT FOR BUSH?

and instead of voting for representatives and presidents, and governors, ect., vote on the allocation and priorities of tax dollars for the next set amount of time... every 4 months or 2 times a year...but BE SURE TO NOTE that i said "vote on tax allocation AND priorities at the same time!

and change the government accounting and budgeting system to reflect a more realistic method of existence: paycheck to paycheck.

sure we still have to have people who work for the local and state and federal government(which is good for the economy), and we could eliminate the ****ING OUTRAGEOUS SALARIES currently being paid to state representatives, federal officials, and local officials (which is also good for the economy)...

now the only problem is what head of which government department do we fire first?

in any system that involves human beings, there will be error, but no one predicted that those errors would involve $70 billion to bailout AUTO INDUSTRY billionaires ........and tell us the news with a straight face.....
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Old 12-26-2011, 07:21 AM
 
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Fire the Military. It's 50% of our discretionary budget, 10X more than we need. And gets us into needless wars.
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Old 12-26-2011, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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i got an idea about how to improve the American government, to bring us back to being an actual democracy....
Democracy? That the United States is a democracy, is that what they teach in public schools today?

Democracy is the worst form of government ever dreamed up by man. You know what a democracy is? A democracy is seven wolves and two newborn lambs voting on what's for dinner. A democracy is what is destroying America today, we have become a nation where it's the idiots who are running the asylum.

Here's an example of what's running the country today


How Obama Got Elected... Interviews With Obama Voters - YouTube

Makes you proud to be an American, doesn't it?

A Republic, If You Can Keep It (http://www.fff.org/freedom/1101b.asp - broken link)

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Celebrating American freedom on July 4, 1821, U.S. Secretary of State John Quincy Adams delivered a speech to the U.S. House of Representatives setting forth the vision of the American republic:

"She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart.... She goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.... She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence ... the fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force.... She might become the dictatress of the world."

Thus, when our 18th- and 19th-century ancestors celebrated the Fourth of July each year, the concept of freedom that they were celebrating was totally different from the concept of freedom that Americans today celebrate on the Fourth. The freedom they celebrated involved a way of life in which government had little power to take their money, regulate their peaceful activities, or take care of them. It was also a freedom arising out of their government’s noninterference in the conflicts of foreign nations.
You better believe with words like that Homeland Security would put a triple security watch on John Quincy Adams for talking such treasonous, vile language like that. And with talk like that John Quincy Adams would undoubtedly fail a modern high school American History class.

The whole point of this is America was never set up as a democracy but as a republic. Looking through all the founding documents you will not find a single utterance of the filthy word "democracy".

http://www.personalliberty.com/conse...u-can-keep-it/

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“A Republic—If You Can Keep It”

June 18, 2010 by Chip Wood
“A Republic—If You Can Keep It”

At first I couldn’t believe my eyes.

In fact, I had to look away and blink a couple of times before reading the email again. But it still said the same thing: “Benjamin Franklin said, ‘We have given you a democratic-republic… if you can keep it.”

No, he didn’t!

I had to face the fact: A Straight Talk reader had fallen victim to 100 years of liberal brainwashing. What he said was such a gross perversion of the truth—and the difference is so incredibly important to preserving what liberties we have left—I hope you’ll indulge me in a brief history lesson this week.

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As the delegates left the building, a Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, “Well, Doctor, what have we got?”

With no hesitation, Franklin replied, “A republic, if you can keep it.” Not a democracy, not a democratic republic. But “a republic, if you can keep it.”

The response is attributed to BENJAMIN FRANKLIN—at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation—in the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention.

McHenry’s notes were first published in The American Historical Review, vol. 11, 1906, and the anecdote on p. 618 reads: “A lady asked Dr. Franklin Well Doctor what have we got a republic or a monarchy. A republic replied the Doctor if you can keep it.” When McHenry’s notes were included in The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, ed. Max Farrand, vol. 3, appendix A, p. 85 (1911, reprinted 1934), a footnote stated that the date this anecdote was written is uncertain.

We're a democracy? Is that what is taught in public schools today because, if it is, every single teacher needs to be fired.
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Old 12-26-2011, 08:01 AM
 
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Fire the Military. It's 50% of our discretionary budget, 10X more than we need. And gets us into needless wars.
Where does our military cause US to get in wars
Its people in power that tell our brave men and women where to go in harm's way.Cutting back on commitments world wide and not protecting our borders would be to invite aggression by the likes of an Ahmadinejad,Putin,or the new player in N.Korea the Boy God Kim Jong Un.

The Dept. of Education,IRS,a scaled back Federal government E.P.A. [ let the States do it ] smaller Congressional staffs and allowances with no pensions or perks would weed out future Congressional crooks.

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Old 12-26-2011, 08:33 AM
 
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We never had a democracy we had a representative republic.

What would be even better would be to get rid of taxes altogether. Let people KEEP their money and spend it the way they see fit. Government officials have proven they are pretty incompetent when it comes to handling money or knowing where it should be spent so let's relieve them of that responsibility. If you look back at our history, this country was the most prosperous and peoples needs were met through charity or the private sector when the government was a fraction of the size it is today.

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Old 12-26-2011, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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We never had a democracy we had a representative republic.
But over the last 100 years especially the powers that be have tinkered with the republic to turn it into the toilet bowl that is a democracy.

For example the concept of "term limits" for US Senators.

Progressives killed the concept of term limits with the passage of the 17th amendment that provided for the direct election of US Senators. Prior to 1913 U.S. Senators were elected by the members of the state's legislature and not the general population. Term limits were automatic anything a state legislature changed control and there was little reason for a senator to go whoring out of state for reelection funds.

We had term limits but we gave that up 100 years ago all in the name of the toilet that is a democracy. This is just how stupid the American people were back then and continue to be today.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:09 AM
 
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But over the last 100 years especially the powers that be have tinkered with the republic to turn it into the toilet bowl that is a democracy.

For example the concept of "term limits" for US Senators.

Progressives killed the concept of term limits with the passage of the 17th amendment that provided for the direct election of US Senators. Prior to 1913 U.S. Senators were elected by the members of the state's legislature and not the general population. Term limits were automatic anything a state legislature changed control and there was little reason for a senator to go whoring out of state for reelection funds.

We had term limits but we gave that up 100 years ago all in the name of the toilet that is a democracy. This is just how stupid the American people were back then and continue to be today.
So true. It is partly by design which is even scarier. A more stupid and apathetic American Public is easier to control. Our tax dollars are PAYING for education DESIGNED to dumb down Americans. Check out Charlotte Iserbyt's site http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/
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Old 12-27-2011, 01:53 PM
 
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We can talk about this all day until we are blue in the face!! Seems to me enough people are aware of the B.S. that the US government has and is pulling on its own and the rest of the world, so WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT AND WHEN!!!!!!!????????

I propose to stop paying taxes and take any money you have saved in banks out - shove it under the mattress and buy a gun or a security system.

without the tax dollars rolling in for them to play with then I think they would all quit anyways. the banking industry is backing the whole economics of our money system, which is the only reason the government can issue bonds to sell or get credit for......without money in the banks to back those bonds, they got nothin'......
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Old 12-27-2011, 02:02 PM
 
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you got it sister
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Old 12-27-2011, 02:03 PM
 
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But over the last 100 years especially the powers that be have tinkered with the republic to turn it into the toilet bowl that is a democracy.

For example the concept of "term limits" for US Senators.

Progressives killed the concept of term limits with the passage of the 17th amendment that provided for the direct election of US Senators. Prior to 1913 U.S. Senators were elected by the members of the state's legislature and not the general population. Term limits were automatic anything a state legislature changed control and there was little reason for a senator to go whoring out of state for reelection funds.

We had term limits but we gave that up 100 years ago all in the name of the toilet that is a democracy. This is just how stupid the American people were back then and continue to be today.
your not understanding, i think
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