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Old 12-26-2011, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Not necessarily, nearly everything that is exported from Mexico, Central and South America goes through Texas to get to the US. Texas is probably the only state that has benefited from NAFTA.
Along with that has come more crime and corruption which has impacted us negatively. We could do just fine without Nafta....
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Old 12-26-2011, 01:50 PM
 
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I was born, raised and continue to live in California. I remember when Jerry Brown was first Governor. Saying Brown was more conservative than Reagan is ludicrous. Jerry Brown has always been a hard core liberal and has gotten worse with age. Jerry Brown is responsible for the public unions in California which has played a big part in ruining this once great state. California is rotten to the core and there is no way to stop the implosion that has already started. This article on the OC register is accurate, many big companies are leaving California as well as high income people. The state is bankrupted and losing tax revenue everyday. The companies and workers left will be hit with increasing taxes and fee's going forward causing more to leave ... and less tax revenue ... until the state economy collapses ... which is looking like 2012 now.
I think you're wasting your keystrokes. Any objective observer can see what the problem is with California, and it has ZERO to do with the Republican Party, which hasn't held meaningful power in California in decades.

We have the same situation here in Maryland. Democrats run everything (into the ground), and whenever something is wrong it's somehow magically the Republicans' fault.

P.T. Barnum was right, as least as far as Maryland and California are concerned.
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Old 12-26-2011, 01:50 PM
 
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I was born, raised and continue to live in California. I remember when Jerry Brown was first Governor. Saying Brown was more conservative than Reagan is ludicrous. Jerry Brown has always been a hard core liberal and has gotten worse with age. Jerry Brown is responsible for the public unions in California which has played a big part in ruining this once great state. California is rotten to the core and there is no way to stop the implosion that has already started. This article on the OC register is accurate, many big companies are leaving California as well as high income people. The state is bankrupted and losing tax revenue everyday. The companies and workers left will be hit with increasing taxes and fee's going forward causing more to leave ... and less tax revenue ... until the state economy collapses ... which is looking like 2012 now.
"But Governor Brown was much more of a fiscal conservative than Governor Reagan, even if he made arguments for austerity that the Republican would never use. (At one point, to get across the idea that a lean organization could outperform a bloated bureaucracy, he offered the example of the Viet Cong.) Reagan had raised taxes several times and boosted spending by an average of 12.2 percent a year. In his first year as governor, by contrast, Brown increased spending by just 4.6 percent, less than the rate of inflation. He wasn’t always so restrained in the rest of his reign, but he was thriftier than his predecessor, accumulating one of the biggest budget surpluses in California history. "

The American Conservative -- Five Faces of Jerry Brown
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Old 12-26-2011, 01:51 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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I was born, raised and continue to live in California. I remember when Jerry Brown was first Governor. Saying Brown was more conservative than Reagan is ludicrous. Jerry Brown has always been a hard core liberal and has gotten worse with age. Jerry Brown is responsible for the public unions in California which has played a big part in ruining this once great state. California is rotten to the core and there is no way to stop the implosion that has already started. This article on the OC register is accurate, many big companies are leaving California as well as high income people. The state is bankrupted and losing tax revenue everyday. The companies and workers left will be hit with increasing taxes and fee's going forward causing more to leave ... and less tax revenue ... until the state economy collapses ... which is looking like 2012 now.
Don't confuse the present day political climate with the past. State unions were not always aligned the way they are now. I doubt the unions supported Jerry Brown then or now so much as they support the Democrat Party.
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Old 12-26-2011, 01:51 PM
 
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Along with that has come more crime and corruption which has impacted us negatively. We could do just fine without Nafta....
Doubt it, you may get crime and corruption but you also get alot of foreign investment.
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Old 12-26-2011, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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We survived quite well before Nafta and I am relatively sure we could again.
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Old 12-26-2011, 01:59 PM
 
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exactly, these people have NO IDEA what they were talking about. Jerry Brown was more conservative during his governorship than Ronnie boy. Reagan raised taxes in California every chance he could. He signed in big spending bills, signed off on abortion being legalized(before Roe vs Wade), signed off on work place safety regulations(before OSHA).

Jerry Brown balanced the state budget and kept growth in check.
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ENDING
BALANCE

1976-77 - $1,818.2
1977-78 - $3,886.9
1978-79 - $2,905.4
1979-80 - $2,540.7
1980-81 - $681.0
1981-82 - $116.4
1982-83 - $-521.3
http://www.dof.ca.gov/budgeting/budg...ts/Chart-A.pdf

Outstanding performance. Brown took a $1.818 billion dollar surplus (from Reagan) and turn it into a $521 million deficit.

Only a liberal could spin that against Reagan and in favor of Brown.
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Old 12-26-2011, 02:04 PM
 
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http://www.dof.ca.gov/budgeting/budg...ts/Chart-A.pdf

Outstanding performance. Brown took a $1.818 billion dollar surplus (from Reagan) and turn it into a $521 million deficit.

Only a liberal could spin that against Reagan and in favor of Brown.

Reagan raised taxes many times to turn a budget deficit from his first term to a budget surplus by the end of his term.

Take a wild guess what what caused the budget surplus to go into a deficit?

Proposition 13

Prop 13 has ruined California.
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Old 12-26-2011, 02:04 PM
 
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Don't confuse the present day political climate with the past. State unions were not always aligned the way they are now. I doubt the unions supported Jerry Brown then or now so much as they support the Democrat Party.
Jerry Brown: Reason for California's failure
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Old 12-26-2011, 02:04 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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http://www.dof.ca.gov/budgeting/budg...ts/Chart-A.pdf

Outstanding performance. Brown took a $1.818 billion dollar surplus (from Reagan) and turn it into a $521 million deficit.

Only a liberal could spin that against Reagan and in favor of Brown.

Cherry pick much? Quote only general fund and leave Reagans numbers off. Then blame it on "liberal" spin. Nice.....
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