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Seems the "poor" should encourage the "rich" to move into their neighborhood.
That's actually been suggested in palces like Newark, Nj. If you are a business and don't see an economic advantage why would you want to move in? If you can afford to live in a better location why would you stay or choose to move into a ghetto like crime riddden neighborhood.
If you think about it it is not the physical location which may be undesirable it is the human element that makes a neighborhood a pool of virulent typhoid to be avoided at all costs. so it seems disingenuous of social scientists and self promoting activists to refer to poor neighborhoods as a place rather than an attitude.
Some elements of political elite choose to maintain the status quo of cities like Newark as the ultimate disposition of mounds of guilt assauging taxpayer money to be distributed to the bottom feeders who could care less about the politically adjusted empathetic definition of 'poor'. no distinction is made between the poor in spirit and the poor in wealth. No attempt is made to comfort the despirited other than to encourage money to be distributed to local power brokers.
Humans have an innate requirement for an ideal living location which all share iregardless of wealth or social station.
As the world fills with people ideal locations become limited and available only to those who can afford it.
Having rich folks move to poor neighborhoods doesn't usually work out any better than the other way around. Gentrification generally ends in one of 2 ways. The poorer residents are priced out and have to move or, if the poor stay because of rent controls, the well off "urban pioneers" eventually move out, along with their money.
Gentrifying a neighborhood looks good on the news but I don't know that it helps the poor. But it does make us feel better, instead of seeing a bunch of poor families in a run down neighborhood, spread them around so we don't have to look at them
Pennsylvania is a unique case. Many of the working poor there have traditionally been low crime. Unusually so. Most other locations where low income people move in have a large spike in crime. People are likely to avoid this,because property values would likely decline, whether justified or not.
I hear the affordable housing issue, but perhaps the easiest is to move somewhere affordable. Post-bubble, there are more of those places.
Unfortunately, many of those places are quite rural and in the coal regions. Places are pretty cheap there, but there aren't many jobs
There are a lot of empty foreclosure homes sitting out in the suburbs. Why not put families in them even if they have to subsidize the payment? Seems better than letting them fall apart unheated and maintained?
good idea. But they might need a little thing like a job before relocating to nowhere-ville...
Like it or not we have different classes in this country. I didn't work all of these years (from the bottom) and earn some success to live with the people who have not. It's not my fault anybody is in a particular financial situation... we all make choices. I made good ones.
I prefer a nice gated community with a strict HOA and a guard at the gate.
That's key. It's not a stretch to say that some people have to be TAUGHT to live a civilized lifestyle because they never have before. Unfortunately there are also some people who can't be taught, don't want to be taught, or have any interest in being civil. I don't know what to do with those people, they are a waste.
Like it or not we have different classes in this country. I didn't work all of these years (from the bottom) and earn some success to live with the people who have not. It's not my fault anybody is in a particular financial situation... we all make choices. I made good ones.
I prefer a nice gated community with a strict HOA and a guard at the gate.
Obviously poor people does not equal ghetto.
People in the country club areas with nice large yards and homes as well as people in suburbs are not inviting of run down trailer parks even though they aren't inner city ghettos and very often low income or welfare whites.
In fact there is a lot of stigma against older trailer homes and zoning laws prevent someone from buying a lot in a surburb or city and putting one there.
Up to recently certain communities were just known as places for the rich. Usually these are suburban communities of large metropolitan areas. These communities were blessed with huge wooded areas, interesting topography, or close access to great job centers and highway access to shopping and fine dining. As a result, when developers came into these communities they built high end homes. The few older homes that were there before hand are torn down or expanded and also sell for a million dollars plus.
Now there is a push by liberals and other do gooders to move poor people away from the bad side of town into all types of communities. So by law when they build new homes a certain percent of them have to be for poor people. (Not Middle class people- but poor people) Rich exclusive towns with million dollar homes are now flooded with poor people and the schools go down hill, crime goes up, social problems explode, etc. The rich families have to pull their kids out of the previously great public schools in a private school due to the economic diversity forced on the community which makes the public school go down hill even more!
While these previously all wealthy communities were hardly without social problems before, (rich people have problems too, just not as many!) now they are even worse.
But what is the solution? Was it more logical to just have poor people living on the bad side of town, like before? Or should poor people live everywhere, even in towns where previously most of the people were rich?
Let people disperse themselves wherever they have the means to live. We don't need to spread the crime around, IMO, let the crime people live in one area (since that is all they can afford) and let the rich, middle class, working class, etc. live where they can afford. They make neighborhoods for a reason, so you can live around people like you, who can afford about what you can afford, kids go to the same schools, etc. Gov't should not mandate this.
Absent zoning laws, there would be far less of a divide between rich neighborhoods and poor neighborhoods. Wealthy communities often make regulations like "houses built in this area must be over a certain size" which amounts to "you must be rich to live here". They also tend to make it very difficult to build apartments through zoning, or ban them outright.
If it's truly your property, how is it justifiable that the government dictate what you're allowed to build on it so long as it doesn't damage your neighbor's property?
Anyhow, there is most certainly a market for lower cost housing in wealthier areas. It's local governments who artificially impose economic barriers.
I have never seen that by the gov't, just by the developer. you can buy a lot in x neighborhood and your house must be y sf. Kind of like HOA restrictions. Or minimum lot size, in some cases, by the city, but that is more about safety than luxury.
Many cities in the top 5 classes (middle middle thru upper upper) specificially design their zoning to exclude even working class, let alone subsidized section 8 ghettos. How far should they be allowed to go? Again it needs to come down to balance; something neither side is willing to strive for.
Joe the working class guy is not Joe the ghetto thug
Joe the working class guy is not Joe the lifetime welfare leech.
I have empathy for the working class guy and almost none for the thug or leech.
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