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Old 01-06-2012, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Just read the Daily Mail and you will see how much the British are still caught up in WW2. In some way they outright hate Germany. They know they are not the strongest country in Europe and they resent that. Again the Euro was forced on Germany. But you are right with the assertion that Merkel wants Frankfurt to make the financial Capital of Europe. The British are very scared of that, because they don't have much of a industry left, except the financial industry.

Won't happen. Despite the UK's challenges London and English have the taken over the world, and none of us want to learn German. The Scandinavians are successful too, but I am not eager to learn Danish!
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Old 01-06-2012, 02:26 PM
 
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The French had as much ability to prevent unification as they do to prevent the sunrise. Worse yet you are implying the German's were intimidated by the French.
Yes they did. They sat at the negotiating table with West Germany, UK, US, and the Soviet Union. If the french would have said no, there would have been no reunification.
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Old 01-06-2012, 02:28 PM
 
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Yes they did. They sat at the negotiating table with West Germany, UK, US, and the Soviet Union. If the french would have said no, there would have been no reunification.

Not a chance. How would have France prevented it?
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Old 01-06-2012, 02:30 PM
 
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Won't happen. Despite the UK's challenges London and English have the taken over the world, and none of us want to learn German. The Scandinavians are successful too, but I am not eager to learn Danish!
English has taken over the world alright. But what has this to do with London? The Deutsche Boerse just merged with the NYSE. They speak English, too. So English has taken over the world. But London? Far from it.

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Old 01-06-2012, 02:31 PM
 
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The Germans had to agree to the Euro. The Germans didn't want the Euro. It was a condition of Mitterand (Premier Minister of France at the time) at the reunification talks in 1989. The french thought this way they would prevent a to strong Germany. That didn't work out so well, huh?

You get unification, we get the euro | Presseurop (English)
Frankly, that is nonsense. The Germans wanted the Euro because it was going to be a weaker currency than the Deutschmark .... and that has worked extremely well for them. The French never had a strong economy. So they got into bed with Germany in return for political power.

In your subsequent post you cite the Daily Mail. Just be aware that the Daily Mail is a right wing tabloid that is far from representative of what most Brits think.

The Robin Cook article (you cite also) is 13 years old. Right now, most Brits are quite happy not to be in the Euro. It all comes down to what kind of EU the different countries want. Britain wants a common market ... Germany and France do not. They want to move to some sort of federal state. It irks both of them that Britain refuses to toe the line.
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Old 01-06-2012, 02:32 PM
 
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Not a chance. How would have France prevented it?
If they would have vetoed. Plus the UK wasn't so eager about a strong Germany either.

Was Margaret Thatcher right to fear a united Germany? - Telegraph
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Old 01-06-2012, 02:33 PM
 
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Deutschland uber alles!
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Old 01-06-2012, 02:35 PM
 
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Germans as a people did certainly not want the Euro, they loved their Marks and are still sitting on billions of them (about 13 billion according to recent estimates), hoping it will return.
Like with most countries there is a big difference between what people want and what their politicians want.
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Old 01-06-2012, 02:42 PM
 
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Frankly, that is nonsense. The Germans wanted the Euro because it was going to be a weaker currency than the Deutschmark .... and that has worked extremely well for them. The French never had a strong economy. So they got into bed with Germany in return for political power.

In your subsequent post you cite the Daily Mail. Just be aware that the Daily Mail is a right wing tabloid that is far from representative of what most Brits think.

The Robin Cook article (you cite also) is 13 years old. Right now, most Brits are quite happy not to be in the Euro. It all comes down to what kind of EU the different countries want. Britain wants a common market ... Germany and France do not. They want to move to some sort of federal state. It irks both of them that Britain refuses to toe the line.
Well Germany realizes that in a world of 7 billion people. A nation of 82 million people doesn't have much political power. A growing nation bloc of 327 million people however does. The UK will find it out rather sooner than later. But the reason the french forced the Euro on the Germans was to keep them a nation in check that invaded them numerous times over the course of the last few centuries.
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Old 01-06-2012, 02:43 PM
 
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If they would have vetoed. Plus the UK wasn't so eager about a strong Germany either.

Was Margaret Thatcher right to fear a united Germany? - Telegraph

There was no way France or the UK could have stopped it, as your linked article proves. Thatcher said no, it happened anyway. We wanted it, it was going to happen, as it did.
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