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America has always been this way. There has always been a huge underclass but what makes America great is that every single one of them has an equal chance to become hugely successful. No one is going to deny you because of where you came from or what your last name is. If you work hard and keep your chin up, good things WILL happen for you here.
That is what sets America apart and why the 21st Century will once again be an American Century of leadership for the world. Nobody comes close to what we have going here.
Bull****. I watched my Board of Directors deny people's eligibility based on the part of the city they lived in. If you where not part of their little swanky suburb of Toledo, you could not be considered to sit with them on the BOD.
This same BOD looked down their nose on anyone not pulling $300k/yr, in a part of the country where $50k would buy a REAL comfy living.
You also now have a lot of people pulling the ladder up with them as they climb; Making it harder to follow behind them.
Blacks on average, take almost twice as long as whites to find employment.
Our country has essentially gutted itself for the benefit of a few. Everything you talk about is feel good, masturbatory, bullocks feed to us, to make us feel good, about ourselves. Go America, f*ck yeah!
Those are all PPP, so they are a pretty good indication of how much each country actually purchases in welfare. America, incidentally, would be slightly to the left of Italy on this graph. You think those groupings are kind of suggestive.
You really didn't know this?
British medical journal ROFL. What's next, a henhouse report put out by the foxes?
This chart graphs deaths and social spending. Still doesn't show that social spending = booming economy. There are some other factors at play here, like manufacturing base. You know, factories and whatnot that the leftists in this country want to shutter, either through regulation or by the strangling fist of the corrupt unions.
Hungary and Slovakia don't have booming economies because, as former soviet-bloc wastelands, it is going to take another 50 years to catch up to the rest of the west.
And here I thought we defeated the USSR already. Now we have ppl like you trying to argue that communism lite (read european socialism) is the answer to all our problems.
America still runs this planet. It is only because the anti-growth, anti-capitalist, anti-economic freedom leftists are running us into the ground that a pissant country like China has a chance to overtake, even with three times the population.
Go ride bicycles in Sweden and sip lattes in Frankfurt if it's so great. Leave 'murrrka to us mouth-breathing hicks that like to take care of ourselves and not be spoon-fed by the benevolent bureaucratic apparatus.
I say: America is not even close to being a 'third world country', borderline or otherwise.
I have traveled in several Third World countries, including Egypt (although I was impressed with Cairo) and Albania (which is truly Third World). It is simply not a contest.
As I was growing up, China was considered "Third World", which, of course, it was (when Nixon visited, Beijing was still 'dark' at night with few hotels).
However, when I visited five years ago I was struck by how modern their large cities are (Shanghai, for instance, had modern buildings with architecture that would knock your eyes out). It was strange to reflect that some 400 million Chinese live in these fantastic looking cities (160 cities in China have populations over 1 million people), while the other 900 million are 'peasants' living in the 'country'.
One nice thing about traveling: you can view, to some extent, conditions with your own eyes.
To say that the United States borders on "Third World" status is simply ludicrous, unless you have only viewed the 'world' through a computer or television screen.
British medical journal ROFL. What's next, a henhouse report put out by the foxes?.
One of the most internationally respected and peer-reviewed journals in the world, yes. Attacking the messenger is basically a way of admitting you've run out of arguments, but it doesn't impress when you don't know much about it.
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This chart graphs deaths and social spending. Still doesn't show that social spending = booming economy. There are some other factors at play here, like manufacturing base. You know, factories and whatnot that the leftists in this country want to shutter, either through regulation or by the strangling fist of the corrupt unions. .
What it does show is that the link between social spending = failing economy is false. Actual economists have written more about the link though.
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Hungary and Slovakia don't have booming economies because, as former soviet-bloc wastelands, it is going to take another 50 years to catch up to the rest of the west.
And they are relevant how?
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And here I thought we defeated the USSR already. Now we have ppl like you trying to argue that communism lite (read european socialism) is the answer to all our problems.
Didn't you just argue that European economies had stong manufacturing bases, with "factories and whatnot"?
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America still runs this planet. It is only because the anti-growth, anti-capitalist, anti-economic freedom leftists are running us into the ground that a pissant country like China has a chance to overtake, even with three times the population.
Not really, no. And saying it won't make it so.
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Go ride bicycles in Sweden and sip lattes in Frankfurt if it's so great. Leave 'murrrka to us mouth-breathing hicks that like to take care of ourselves and not be spoon-fed by the benevolent bureaucratic apparatus.
So you can strangle it while sounting "We're number one!" as America slowly fails? I tried the Northern European economies, and they work quite well. Worth learning from.
Look, I don't know if you just woke up from a coma you've been in since 1962. But you don't seem to have a lot of factual knowledge about how the world looks, or how economy and politics actually work.
So here is a heads up: The notion that social policies are the same as socialism is false. Lots of European countries have the capitalism dials turned up higher than America, while spending a lot of the money on social policies.
You know what the top two countries in the world for business startups per head are: Norway and Denmark. You know why Northern Europe ranks so high on Economic freedom rakings? Cause they are very very capitalist.
And here is another: When there are real problems, they guy trying to hide them until they grow to big isn't the hero. The phrase. "Man up and face the facts!" exists for a reason. You got to deal with problems not play pretend they don't exist.
It doesn't help to shout ignorance loudly. And the notion that you are to special to ever learn anything from anyone. It doesn't work in school, it doesn't work for a business, and it doesn't work for a country. It is just a one-way ticket to loserville.
In all third world countries you have about 1% of the people controling about 99% of the wealth. It has taken our corrupt leaders and big businees croonies some time but they have almost reached that goal...Thanks republicans
How can they be hugely successful if the underclass work at Wal-Mart or the gas station?
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America has always been this way. There has always been a huge underclass but what makes America great is that every single one of them has an equal chance to become hugely successful. No one is going to deny you because of where you came from or what your last name is. If you work hard and keep your chin up, good things WILL happen for you here.
That is what sets America apart and why the 21st Century will once again be an American Century of leadership for the world. Nobody comes close to what we have going here.
In all third world countries you have about 1% of the people controling about 99% of the wealth. It has taken our corrupt leaders and big businees croonies some time but they have almost reached that goal...Thanks republicans
One of the most internationally respected and peer-reviewed journals in the world, yes. Attacking the messenger is basically a way of admitting you've run out of arguments, but it doesn't impress when you don't know much about it.
Incoherent blather. I'm just getting started.
Perhaps you have a British NHS study extolling the virtues of nationalized health care systems as well?
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What it does show is that the link between social spending = failing economy is false. Actual economists have written more about the link though.
How does a graph plotting deaths per capita and social spending show that "social spending = failing economy is false".
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And they are relevant how?
Hungary and Slovakia were a couple of the worst on your graph of all wisdom and debate-ending truth on social spending.
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Didn't you just argue that European economies had stong manufacturing bases, with "factories and whatnot"?
What's your point? I pointed out that Germany and Sweden have a strong manufacturing base, and that is a much bigger factor in their economic success than how much money is confiscated by the bureaucracy and how much free crap is given to the worthless layabouts in those countries.
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Not really, no. And saying it won't make it so.
Yes really. I know nothing would make you happier than to witness, perhaps preside over in some way, the downfall of America, but Sweden and Germany aren't about to surpass our economy. Even as traitorous democrats conspire to bring our country down, we still dominate this planet. How about joining the home team instead of mentally masturbating about "globalism".
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So you can strangle it while sounting "We're number one!" as America slowly fails? I tried the Northern European economies, and they work quite well. Worth learning from.
Yes I suppose they work quite well when you have a homogenous populace of highly educated people that enjoy confiscatory taxation and empowering government to see to their every need. Not gonna happen in 'murrrrka.
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Look, I don't know if you just woke up from a coma you've been in since 1962. But you don't seem to have a lot of factual knowledge about how the world looks, or how economy and politics actually work.
What factual knowledge have you presented, besides a graph that proves NOTHING from a questionable source, and gushy platitudes about how prosperous the Swedes and krauts are because they happily give over half their crap to the central govt each year?
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So here is a heads up: The notion that social policies are the same as socialism is false. Lots of European countries have the capitalism dials turned up higher than America, while spending a lot of the money on social policies.
Here's a heads up: Euphemistically referring to confiscatory taxation and handouts to worthless layabouts as "social policies" doesn't change the fact that it is commie horsecrap.
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You know what the top two countries in the world for business startups per head are: Norway and Denmark. You know why Northern Europe ranks so high on Economic freedom rakings? Cause they are very very capitalist.
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And here is another: When there are real problems, they guy trying to hide them until they grow to big isn't the hero. The phrase. "Man up and face the facts!" exists for a reason. You got to deal with problems not play pretend they don't exist.
What problems? Not enough "social policy"? We need to confiscate more from producers and hand out more to worthless layabouts? Is that your answer?
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It doesn't help to shout ignorance loudly. And the notion that you are to special to ever learn anything from anyone. It doesn't work in school, it doesn't work for a business, and it doesn't work for a country. It is just a one-way ticket to loserville.
I am always learning. I have a profound thirst for knowledge. I also have an RCA Horsecrap Detector, circa 1962. I find no redeeming features in european socialism, confiscatory taxation, purported "social policies", widespread welfare, or anything you have said. I reject all of your posts out of hand and relegate you to the losers dugout with FDR, LBJ and Keynes.
....About 97.3 million Americans fall into a low-income category, commonly defined as those earning between 100 and 199 percent of the poverty level, based on a new supplemental measure by the Census Bureau that is designed to provide a fuller picture of poverty. Together with the 49.1 million who fall below the poverty line and are counted as poor, they number 146.4 million, or 48 percent of the U.S. population. That's up by 4 million from 2009, the earliest numbers for the newly developed poverty measure....
'They call it the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.' - George Carlin
America is a patchwork. Some parts of the country enjoy some of the highest standard of living you'll find anywhere in the world and other parts are almost identical to third world countries. America is the most uneven developed country on earth. It is rich but still have the most poverty of any first world country. It has excellent healthcare but still have the most uninsured citizens of any first world country. It produces the most food, yet many kids in America still go to their beds hungry every night. It's a paradox that Republicans are happy to keep alive.
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