Do women really make less than men because of discrimination? (employment, salary)

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by buzzards27

There is no hidding from the FACT that women doing the same job with the same education and experience are paid less.
Then you are reading the wrong studies from the wrong sources.

Such as? It wouldn't surprise me if there was still some gender bias but it's completely overblown. Having said that I reacall reading an article when all things were considered it was the women outpacing the men.

Liberty is a "source" that is willing to shape studies and data to fit preconceived results to support their agenda.

Actually I haven't read this, my knowledge of this goes back a few years. This isn't some opinion I've formed overnight or because of one article. I think about year ago there was same topic that came up over NYT article, same thing there, they were using averaged data over the whole population. That's what the 75% represents you often hear mentioned, averaged pay scales regardless of experience, career, education etc.

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by ChristineVA

Besides that, women tend to be more heavily distributed in the "soft" majors which pay less. Look at any engineering department on a college campus and you will see far more men. These men graduate, get higher paying jobs, which then increase the overall average salaries for males.

And that still doesn't explain why the women in that same engineering department go out and get jobs and are paid consistently less than men. That doesn't explain why women who become surgeons, who have the same academic accomplishments, who have the same experience, who have the same skills, are consistently paid less than men.

The studies show that women are paid less CONSISTENTLY, regardless of career, regardless of experience, regardless if they take time off to have children or not. And that would logically be a result of gender inequality in pay.

[thecoalman]

Here's a question, since we often hear the argument about corporations seeking ways to pay the lowest amount why do we not see an overwhelming majority of women represented in these jobs? Seems that argument gets turned on it's head doesn't it?

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by kevinm

Women earn less because they work less and take more time off to tend to family "issues". Men are deemed more RELIABLE and thus are valued more.

Whoa, Nellie (or should I say, "Buster"?) !!

Women are not out having kids for the entirety of their careers. Really career-oriented women have a baby, take a maternity leave; a couple years later have another baby, take another mat. leave, and are then in the work force for the next 30-35 years.

As far as reliablility, Margaret Thatcher said:

“If you want something said, ask a man...if you want something done, ask a woman.”

Margaret Thatcher quotes

[Mathguy]

Depends on the field and the company's culture and so forth.

For example, women models get paid more....but *generally* women athletes make less.

Men tend to still occupy a lot of upper management and lucrative sales jobs too.

I work in a field with LOTS of women in it....the top3-4 people I work for are all women.

[Cletus Awreetus-Awrightus]

Most of these "studies" I have seen are filled with bias. They cherrypick the average of this, the median of that, to reach conclusions that aren't necessarily true.

The bottom line is that men are more motivated than women.

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

Here's a question, since we often hear the argument about corporations seeking ways to pay the lowest amount why do we not see an overwhelming majority of women represented in these jobs? Seems that argument gets turned on it's head doesn't it?

Wal-Mart class-action suit.

[BigCityDreamer]

The idea that women make less money than men for the same work is actually an ideological attack on the work and efforts of men.

[buzzards27]

Originally Posted by dunks_galore

If you would bother to do 30 seconds of research on the subject instead of resorting to idle speculation or the youtube videos of buffoons you would see that the answer is yes. Women earn less money than men for the same work.

The Income Disparity of Women in the Creative Class - Jobs & Economy - The Atlantic Cities

Women in top-paying jobs still make less than men - Apr. 20, 2010

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpswom2009.pdf

Good links, funny that some will ignore facts and cling to agenda driven drivel and their preconceived biases.

[Cletus Awreetus-Awrightus]

Originally Posted by buzzards27

Good links, funny that some will ignore facts and cling to agenda driven drivel and their preconceived biases.

How were those good links? I read the first one, from the atlantic, and it was typical innumerate bullsh*t that only gives you their small picture of what the data means.