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Old 01-24-2012, 06:56 AM
 
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But employees have a choice: they may stop taking paychecks from employers with whom they disagree.

It's about tyranny: "“If the government can compel private organizations to abandon their conscience as a condition of serving the public, what can’t the government do?”
Again, if the private organization wants to be non-profit and get massive tax breaks as such, they are somewhat beholden to the government.
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Old 01-24-2012, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So the Catholic Church can tell it's employees that they cannot have access to contraceptive services, but it's immoral for the government to for the employer to follow mandated regulations that all other employers must follow (religious and non) to provide for the option to have it?

You have to be kidding.

People don't need to use it, just have the option. Don't want it, then don't use it...no one is forcing people to take them.

Does the Catholic Church really think that having the free will to say yes or no will suddenly mean a breakdown of their morals?
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Old 01-24-2012, 07:05 AM
 
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It's my understanding that churches are still exempt, and will continue to be exempt, for employees of a church. What will ultimately not be exempt are church-related organizations, like hospitals. This makes sense. The Catholic church could expect that employees at a church would follow church doctrine; they should not expect or require that all employees of a Catholic hospital, from the surgeons down to the janitors, observe Catholic restrictions on contraception, or be constrained from practicing contraception by their health plan not covering it.
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Old 01-24-2012, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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Theres already a thread about this.....from 2 days ago.
Theres a search feature on this forum......learn to use it!
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Old 01-24-2012, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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But employees have a choice: they may stop taking paychecks from employers with whom they disagree.

It's about tyranny: "“If the government can compel private organizations to abandon their conscience as a condition of serving the public, what can’t the government do?”
That's the line 1900 factory owners used to tell their employees, "if you don't like the below subsistence wages I pay, you can go work somewhere else."

Fortunately, we have come a long way from that. Employees are free people that are entitled to personal choices.

It's particular telling that conservatives would object if the government denied personal rights but if it is a private entity, no problem.
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Old 01-24-2012, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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From the HHS press release:

I think the new rule is a good thing.

The Church shouldn't be imposing their religious views upon employees.
When you apply for a job you are made aware of the rules.
That goes for companies as well as the Church (of any religion).
If you cannot abide by the rules or they upset you then you should not take the job.
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Old 01-24-2012, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Didn't like the other thread on this very same topic?
Obama Forces Contraception on Religious Health Care Providers
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Old 01-24-2012, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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But the government should impose lifestyle views upon citizens?
No. Lifestyle of citizens belongs to the individual, not to be governed by the society as a whole, which is where authoritarianism (AKA social conservatism) steps in.
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:23 AM
 
Location: it depends
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That's the line 1900 factory owners used to tell their employees, "if you don't like the below subsistence wages I pay, you can go work somewhere else."

Fortunately, we have come a long way from that. Employees are free people that are entitled to personal choices.

It's particular telling that conservatives would object if the government denied personal rights but if it is a private entity, no problem.
There is a reason that factory owners tell employees that if they don't like the deal, they can go elsewhere--a hundred years ago, ten years ago, ten years from now and a hundred years from now: it is the truth.

The freedom to seek one's fortune as one chooses is the hallmark of a healthy and productive society.
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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I am beginning to think this man is actually evil. Use to think he was just incompetent or simply had a different vision. But, as time goes on, I think he may, indeed, be evil.
'Evil' may be too strong a word.

Now, PUNK...
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