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Old 01-24-2012, 11:30 PM
 
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Somethings are initiated under one president and come to fruition under that person who follows him so that's life. Truman was responsible for getting the civil right movement going when he integrated the military but the bulk of the credit for civil rights advances goes to Ike because it happened on his watch. Unfair maybe but that's the way the ball bounces.
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:31 PM
 
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Didn't Obama give up on the war saying he was pulling troops out? He had no clue that laden wasn't in Iraq or did he know where he was all along?
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:35 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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It's the right wing reflex programming to rewrite history. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they eventually claim that Bush was successful at "smoking bin Laden out of that cave".
Bush was never going to "smoke him out of the cave" because he totally lost interest in getting him. He used OBL to get us into Iraq - something I believe he wanted to do from the moment he took office; he then used 9-11 as his excuse. Once we were in Iraq, Bush didn't need OBL anymore, and thus, "I don't know where he is and I really don't think about him."

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NOW I WONDER if osama was found when president bush was in office would the credit go to CLINTON? Sure it wont
Excellent point.

I was shocked and amazed when the Cheney father/daughter tag team immediately started trying to give Bush credit - and the gullible RW sheeple BOUGHT IT!
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:38 PM
 
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BTW OP...When did Obama or anyone else for that matter, claim that he physically infiltrated bin Laden's compund in Pakistan? When did obama not give credit and honors due to the Navy Seals and intelligence and counterterrorism professionals?

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"Shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda, even as we continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat his network," he said.
Who deserves credit for bin Laden's killing? - Political Hotsheet - CBS News


Obama did what another POTUS was supposed to have done a few years earlier.
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:45 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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BTW OP...When did Obama or anyone else for that matter, claim that he physically infiltrated bin Laden's compund in Pakistan? When did obama not give credit and honors due to the Navy Seals and intelligence and counterterrorism professionals?
This is an excellent point, too.

I remember very well in the days following OBL's killing, President Obama giving credit to everyone involved - the Seals, the intelligence community, even Bush (which I didn't happen to agree with). I was reading and hearing people on the right claiming how President Obama was trying to take "all the credit," and I remember thinking to myself, "Are we listening to the same guy?"
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:48 PM
 
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This whole thread is just an example of conservatives being totally butt-hurt about the fact that Obama's administration set in place a policy that resulted in the successful elimination of one of America's biggest individual enemies. They still can't cope with the reality.
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:54 PM
 
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The credit for killing bin Laden goes 100% to President Obama.

He's certainly willing to take the credit, GWB has more class.

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George W. Bush after capture of Saddam Hussein:

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The success of yesterday's mission is a tribute to our men and women now serving in Iraq. The operation was based on the superb work of intelligence analysts who found the Dictator’s footprints in a vast country. The operation was carried out with skill and precision by a brave fighting force. Our servicemen and women and our coalition allies have faced many dangers in the hunt for members of the fallen regime, and in their effort to bring hope and freedom to the Iraqi people. Their work continues, and so do the risks. Today, on behalf of the nation, I thank the members of our Armed Forces and I congratulate them.
Barack Hussein Obama speech after Osama Bin Laden:

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And so shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda, even as I continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat his network. Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by my intelligence community, I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden. It was far from certain, and it took many months to run this thread to ground. I met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we had located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside of Pakistan . And finally, last week, I determined that I had enough intelligence to take action, and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice. Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad , Pakistan .
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:58 PM
 
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The credit for killing bin Laden goes 100% to President Obama. He's been so much stronger on anti-terrorist actions than wimpy Pres. Bush and VP Cheney. The President is the Commander in Chief of the Military. Ask Jimmy Carter about presidential responsibility for military actions. The military sabatoged his presidency.
I'm no conservative, and certainly not a republican, but you're wrong. Not only do the unknown SEALs deserve credit for a job well done, but so do the people in our intelligence services who found out where Bin Laden was hiding.

Having said that, Obama did revive the effort to find Bin Laden, and he did authorize the strike that saw Osama killed, and he *does* deserve credit for that - and for those who actually believe the rumor that Leon Panetta authorized the strike - please don't insult the armed forces like that.
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:59 PM
 
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This whole thread is just an example of conservatives being totally butt-hurt about the fact that Obama's administration set in place a policy that resulted in the successful elimination of one of America's biggest individual enemies.
What exactly did he do that wasn't being done in the previous administration?
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Old 01-25-2012, 12:00 AM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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He's certainly willing to take the credit, GWB has more class.

Compare:

George W. Bush after capture of Saddam Hussein:
Real "classy." I notice in Bush's speech, not one mention of the Commander in Chief.

Can you say "sour grapes?"


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Barack Hussein Obama speech after Osama Bin Laden:
And?????

There's nothing wrong with President Obama's speech. He is the Commander in Chief and he was the one making the decisions and calling the shots.
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