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Old 01-27-2012, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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What I don't get is why people would do this to their children (or to any child, really).
Any ideas?
This is a good question honestly. Why parents dont make the responsible choice and NOT smoke around or near their children is beyond me. However, the choice, in it's entirety, MUST be left up to the individual parent to make for themselves.

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What we need to do I guess, is to have the government step in and force these parents to raise their kids the right way.
While I realise that you made this comment sarcasticly, this is just what we are in danger of. It's a slippery slope passing legislation dictating what a parent can do in their own car. After that they will target the home. The sky is the limit once they get started.

So while the goal of protecting children from the dangers of second hand smoke is reasonable and admirable, the potential ends do not justify the means.

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You reminded me of something. I was trying to have some fun one night at a casino. Most of the good machines were taken, it was really crowded that evening.

My husband went one way to play something i sat down to play a new machine that was out at that time.

I am in the middle seat. Two smokers two elderly ladies sat on both sides of me. Oh my gosh, i literally wanted to kill them. I was now starting to make faces, i do that when i am annoyed.

I had smoke coming at me from two directions Puff Puff and more Puff . I could not take it, i am alergic to smoke, so i was the one to leave.

These two old ladies stayed their puffing on those damn nasty cigarettes. You would think that some people might have a bit of compassion, for those around them.

My sister in law is a fine Nurse for a very large well known Hospital.

She will be glad to sit anyone of you down, and let you know just what the consequences of second hand smoke are.

Very bad for babies and young children.
I sympathize with your frustration, but did it ever occur to you to not patronize an establishment that is notorious for pluems of smoke, to find one that doesn't permit smoking, or to calmly and politely tell the manager how the presence of cigarette smoke bothers you instead of just stewing in your chair? If enough people would do this, there would be no need for the nanny state that we currently reside in under our government. If the demand truly was there for "no smoking" and people would speak up, there would be no need for gov't intervention at all.

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To further elaborate on your lies and distortions, I find it appalling that the government or the "state" (since you like to play silly little rhetorical games) to force private businesses to be smoke free.

I think bars and restaurants should allow smoking, if they want to. .
Kudos to you my freind, for realizing that a privately owned business should have the freedom of choice, despite you convictions on second hand smoke.

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Well , you don't see too much of it around these parts. It's been Illegal for the past 3 years and if a cop sees you it will cost you $300.
That is a fine I would happily pay, it would be worth every penny in order to stand up against the powers that try and strip me of my rights as a private citizen.


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So far, all I said is that people have a right to speak up about this,
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This is a hot topic and everyone seems to have an opinion on it and likes to debate it, it's just a damn shame that few actually have the knowledge, know-how, and facts to do it.
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:33 PM
 
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Obviously, smoking is well known to cause quite a few health problems and this information is well disseminated. In essence, nobody can claim ignorance to the detrimental effect of tobacco on humans. There also seems to be rather convincing evidence that smoking (even second-hand smoke) can and will adversely affect a child's development.

As I waited at a red light today, I noticed that the car behind me had an girl (roughly eight years of age) on the passenger seat and a toddler in a child seat on the rear bench. The mother was vigorously smoking a cigarette while the windows were closed.

To me, people who smoke either have a really hard time breaking their addiction or they are stupidly choosing to ignore the problems associated with smoking. Still, since they are adult and since smoking is legal, I think that they have every right to be idiots and smoke. I do not appreciate that their habits cause higher health insurance rates, but so does eating an unhealthy diet or not exercising. Thus, for the sake of this argument, I am willing to ignore this.

What I don't get is why people would do this to their children (or to any child, really).

Some smokers on CD seem to argue that second-hand smoke has no adverse effects - but healthcare professionals seem to strongly contradict such assertions (as does common sense).

Any ideas?
The reason: People are selfish.

My parents were both heavy smokers and as a young child ('60s and early '70s) I had to BEG them to crack a window in the car so I could breath. Often the smoke affected me so much that I became physically ill in the car (a.k.a car-sick) after about 10 miles, always when they were smoking.

I was plagued by ear infections and "hay fever" until I graduated high school and left for college. By the end of my 2nd semester in college no more sign of ear aches or said allergies. However, they would re-appear when I returned home for a weekend or summer.

I was an athlete in college. Yet, a stress test through the physiology lab at my university showed me to have the vital capacity of a heavy smoker. I have never smoked in my life. I have no doubt it was my parents chain smoking in the car and home which cause my childhood illnesses and symptoms and a lasting effect on my lungs.

My parents both eventually died of lung cancer. They loved their cigaretts more than their children, and more than their own lives.

ETA: I do not know that tobacco is bad for humans; I suspect in modern cigaretts the chemical preservatives & additives used today are the carcinogens and responsible for the harmful effects, be it health or addiction ( example: addition of nicotene).

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Old 01-27-2012, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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For any of you who are interested in an in depth discussion about anti-smoking legislation and it's aftermath includiung the rights of the smoker, business and private property rights, and the rights of the non-smoker, please feel free to check out this blog entry on mine.

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Old 01-28-2012, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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If I'm not mistaken, it's currently illegal to smoke in a car with children (under a certain age) here in California. A bit "nanny law"ish for my taste, but then again I thinking smoking around children, particularly in a car, is disgusting - and I'm a smoker myself, but I have no children and live alone.
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Old 01-28-2012, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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Not to mention the football stadiums { in which the smokers are told they cannot smoke in or around it after it was their taxation paying for it } paid for by the lowly smoker and who knows what other pet projects that the middle class tobacco user is raped in taxes for. The football stadium is no joke, look it up, happened in Cleveland.
Smoking is no longer allowed anywhere in Candlestick Park, not to mention they don't allow in & out privileges - and this is an outdoor stadium, with plenty of room to section off a "smoking patio" if they wanted. But they don't, so instead people hide in every nook & cranny trying to sneak a few drags before security stops them.

When I was there at the recent playoff game, a whole bunch of people were gathered in one corner smoking cigarettes & joints... security walked up, and quite clearly said "no cigarette smoking allowed," while signalling an okay wave/nod at the joint smokers. Only in California, LOL.
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Old 01-28-2012, 12:18 AM
 
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Obviously, smoking is well known to cause quite a few health problems and this information is well disseminated. In essence, nobody can claim ignorance to the detrimental effect of tobacco on humans. There also seems to be rather convincing evidence that smoking (even second-hand smoke) can and will adversely affect a child's development.

As I waited at a red light today, I noticed that the car behind me had an girl (roughly eight years of age) on the passenger seat and a toddler in a child seat on the rear bench. The mother was vigorously smoking a cigarette while the windows were closed.

To me, people who smoke either have a really hard time breaking their addiction or they are stupidly choosing to ignore the problems associated with smoking. Still, since they are adult and since smoking is legal, I think that they have every right to be idiots and smoke. I do not appreciate that their habits cause higher health insurance rates, but so does eating an unhealthy diet or not exercising. Thus, for the sake of this argument, I am willing to ignore this.

What I don't get is why people would do this to their children (or to any child, really).

Some smokers on CD seem to argue that second-hand smoke has no adverse effects - but healthcare professionals seem to strongly contradict such assertions (as does common sense).

Any ideas?
Sure, arrest them for child abuse and let them go cold turkey in the slammer.
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Old 01-28-2012, 12:35 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Smoking is no longer allowed anywhere in Candlestick Park, not to mention they don't allow in & out privileges - and this is an outdoor stadium, with plenty of room to section off a "smoking patio" if they wanted. But they don't, so instead people hide in every nook & cranny trying to sneak a few drags before security stops them.

When I was there at the recent playoff game, a whole bunch of people were gathered in one corner smoking cigarettes & joints... security walked up, and quite clearly said "no cigarette smoking allowed," while signalling an okay wave/nod at the joint smokers. Only in California, LOL.
These smokers should have prevented themselves from being flicked in the ash bin of society and stood up for themselves. I mean, what are they going to do if people simply just decide.....not to take it any more? Civil disobedience.
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Old 01-28-2012, 12:36 AM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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May I ask a dumb question? If you're that sensitive and intolerant, why do you go into casinos knowing fully well there are people in there smoking?

Yeah you can. I was sitting at the no smoking section!! answer your question. That is what pissed me off so dang bad.

Smokers have their own dang section, and these two old ladies had to come over to the non smoking and bug the hell out of me who does not smoke.

A lot of the Casinos we have out here, have both non smoking and smoking areas.
The non smoking areas, are not as big of course as the smokers areas.



Less then 2 hours from my house or around there, we have at least 13 casinos i can think of off hand.
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Old 01-28-2012, 12:39 AM
 
Location: California
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Smoking is no longer allowed anywhere in Candlestick Park, not to mention they don't allow in & out privileges - and this is an outdoor stadium, with plenty of room to section off a "smoking patio" if they wanted. But they don't, so instead people hide in every nook & cranny trying to sneak a few drags before security stops them.

When I was there at the recent playoff game, a whole bunch of people were gathered in one corner smoking cigarettes & joints... security walked up, and quite clearly said "no cigarette smoking allowed," while signalling an okay wave/nod at the joint smokers. Only in California, LOL.
I have a friend who can't go more than 2 hours with a cig. It's so irritating to see her getting one out, and her lighter, and sitting on the edge of her seat to make a dash when we are out together at a performance of some kind. I know she isn't enjoying whatever it is we are watching and her discomfort makes me uncomfortable!! The hold this stuff has on people is unbelievable and very sad.

Yet I can sit through an entire movie without popcorn and soda
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Old 01-28-2012, 02:06 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Obviously, smoking is well known to cause quite a few health problems and this information is well disseminated. In essence, nobody can claim ignorance to the detrimental effect of tobacco on humans. There also seems to be rather convincing evidence that smoking (even second-hand smoke) can and will adversely affect a child's development.

As I waited at a red light today, I noticed that the car behind me had an girl (roughly eight years of age) on the passenger seat and a toddler in a child seat on the rear bench. The mother was vigorously smoking a cigarette while the windows were closed.

To me, people who smoke either have a really hard time breaking their addiction or they are stupidly choosing to ignore the problems associated with smoking. Still, since they are adult and since smoking is legal, I think that they have every right to be idiots and smoke. I do not appreciate that their habits cause higher health insurance rates, but so does eating an unhealthy diet or not exercising. Thus, for the sake of this argument, I am willing to ignore this.

What I don't get is why people would do this to their children (or to any child, really).

Some smokers on CD seem to argue that second-hand smoke has no adverse effects - but healthcare professionals seem to strongly contradict such assertions (as does common sense).

Any ideas?
Some people think the world is still flat despite all the evidence to the contrary. Some people are just plain stupid.
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