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One can leave the church. One cannot leave the government.
Therein lies the difference.
As they said in the film, "The Paper Chase," you mind is a bowl of mush.
Now you have morphed the issue from Church business activity to also include parishioners as if it's all scrambled together? Nobody is forcing believers to have contraceptives in their health plans nor forcing parishioners to use them against their will. Now, with the revised Obama plan, nobody is forcing religious organizations to have contraceptive care in their plans. So, who is, exactly, forcing any person or group of faith to do anything?
One can leave the Church, if "leave" means quit employment.
As they said in the film, "The Paper Chase," you mind is a bowl of mush.
Now you have morphed the issue from Church business activity to also include parishioners as if it's all scrambled together? Nobody is forcing believers to have contraceptives in their health plans nor forcing parishioners to use them against their will. Now, with the revised Obama plan, nobody is forcing religious organizations to have contraceptive care in their plans. So, who is, exactly, forcing any person or group of faith to do anything?
One can leave the Church, if "leave" means quit employment.
"....YOU mind is a bowl of mush".....
Really!!?? Apparently mine is not the only one.
Obama's "revised plan" is just as unconstitutional as the first mandate. I hope the Catholic Church challenges it in court. May make little difference since Obama has probably lost the Catholic vote anyway.
Yes the employer is the Catholic Church and they are being mandated by the King to provide a service that is against their faith. Whether they pay directly or they are charged by their insurance co. doesn't matter. It is a violation of the Constitution.
The employer is a hospital, school, or university affiliated with the Catholic church. The church is NOT the employer.
Thus, they had nothing to say on the matter because, let's face it, there was no such thing as "health insurance" at that time.
In the 1780s I believe the way it worked is that if you were sick, you could go to a doctor if you could afford to pay said doctor. If not? You remained untreated.
I'm guessing you aren't advocating going back to that are you?
And if so, we should just put that out for the masses to chew on or make an ultimate determinant decision.
"People of the United States, you can either have universal healthcare funded by your government (via the taxpayer), OR you can have a healthcare system where you either pay for it yourself or you don't get healthcare."
Wonder what the 99% would choose?
In the 1780s, they would "bleed" you to make you better. There really was no health care back then.
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Originally Posted by monkeywrenching
UHC still has to pass constitutional muster. HHS might not exist if the scotus says UHC isnt constitutional.
LOL! HHS has been around since 1980, and was preceded by HEW (Health, Education and Welfare).
Contraceptives save insurance companies money. Why should providing it raise prices?
So Bush was against the bulb ban and was 'forced'? Then why did he say this upon signing it:
Oh, and since it passed the House by (final version) 314-100 and the Senate by 86-8, many GOPers voted for it. At the time, it had little opposition {but bring in Obama, and they're all against it.}
Where is your data that "[t]he reason health care is so expensive is that there have been so many regulations in the industry by a meddlesome government."? All over the world, governments are stricter than the U.S. in health care regulations and theirs are much less expensive than ours.
I contend that your theory is baseless.
You are thinking that women that want to use contraceptives are not using them now because they are not free? Very foolish theory.
You do know that the Energy Independence and Security Act had hundreds of pages. Bush may have liked many of its provisions. I didn't read anything about light bulbs in your quote!
Healthcare in other countries is less expensive because it sucks. They restrict care and do not have the advanced care that we do for the masses. Our healthcare is the best in the world. State regulations have a great impact on the cost of insurance "...premiums in high-cost states are routinely 50 percent to 100 percent higher than premiums in low-cost states." The Effect of State Regulations on Health Insurance Premiums: A Preliminary Analysis
The preceding posts are ripe evidence why conservatives are called reactionaries. They want to return to the good'ol days that never existed.
Is that the new talking point Media Matters is pushing, to paint Conservatives as "reactionary"? You've used it in repeated posts tonight.
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