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Its called Cimate Change, not Global Warming really. Is the Climate changing? yes of course it always has been always will be. Are humans affecting the climate? Yes of course we are. Are humans causing the climate to change so much that we need to worry about massive ice caps meltings, rising sea levels, quick drastic changes in the climate, mega stroms etc..? No one knows.
There is no evidence of the first bold.
But.....a lack of hurricanes/tornadoes and "mega" storms means...what?
Now, how do the warmists explain the nearly ice free arctic back in the 1920s, 30s, 40s....and before?
But.....a lack of hurricanes/tornadoes and "mega" storms means...what?
Now, how do the warmists explain the nearly ice free arctic back in the 1920s, 30s, 40s....and before?
Oh, thats right...they don't, they ignore it!
The arctic was "nearly ice free" back then??? That's news to me, though I wasn't really watching.
Explorers have been trying, literally for centuries, to find a "Northwest passage", that is, a way to sail a ship from the Atlantic to the Pacific by going NORTH of North America. I've never heard of one that made it - they all ran into ice, and lots of it, and had to either turn back, become Eskimos, or die.
Are you telling me there were times in the 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s when they could have made it, or nearly so?
But.....a lack of hurricanes/tornadoes and "mega" storms means...what?
Now, how do the warmists explain the nearly ice free arctic back in the 1920s, 30s, 40s....and before?
Oh, thats right...they don't, they ignore it!
Are you saying there is no evidence that Climate Change is real? What is the Ice Age? The climate has always been changing and will always be changing. That is absolute solid fact that cannot be disputed at all.
Are you saying there is no evidence that Climate Change is real? What is the Ice Age? The climate has always been changing and will always be changing. That is absolute solid fact that cannot be disputed at all.
No, but then "climate change" isn't being used by the AGW crowd in the manner to which you are describing it. They hijacked the term to confuse people.
Climate change happens, but "climate change, as in it changes because man caused it to" is the issue that is discussed.
Little odanny isn't even talking about Anthropomorphic Global Warming (AGW) - that is, man-caused climate change. He seems to believe he's found somebody somewhere, who insists the climate isn't changing AT ALL.
I keep asking little odanny if he's even aware of the difference.
Somehow he never gets around to answering the question.
Though he seems to have plenty of time available, to bash that mysterious person whom no one else has seen.
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Are you saying there is no evidence that Climate Change is real? What is the Ice Age? The climate has always been changing and will always be changing. That is absolute solid fact that cannot be disputed at all.
See? There goes another one, changing the subject as fast as he can, from "Man-caused Climate Change" to merely "Climate Change", and hoping no one notices!
Aren't these little people cute when they do that?
See? There goes another one, changing the subject as fast as he can, from "Man-caused Climate Change" to merely "Climate Change", and hoping no one notices!
Aren't these little people cute when they do that?
But that is the problem. We do not know if we as humans are changing or not. It will change no matter what we do. The question science is trying to figure out is if we are changing it so much that if we stop doing certain things it will help.
So let me get this straight... if it snows a lot then its not global warming, if it is doesn't snow a lot then it is global warming... it sounds like people who believe in global warming are idiots because anyone would know that there are years where it snows a lot and there will be years where it doesn't snow a lot... so global warming is complete bunk unless it is CONSTANT and REPRODUCIBLE every year... but it isn't... how people believe in global warming without evening knowing about the lack of science behind it is... amazing... and sad...
guess what? climate change has been around since the dawn of time on the planet earth. but global warming by man is nothing but a myth. it is nothing but a way for people to scream for more goverment control of someting that does not even exist.
please let me know when mankind can do as much damage to the planet earth as the sun already does.
What damage does the sun do to planet earth?
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So let me get this straight... if it snows a lot then its not global warming, if it is doesn't snow a lot then it is global warming... it sounds like people who believe in global warming are idiots because anyone would know that there are years where it snows a lot and there will be years where it doesn't snow a lot... so global warming is complete bunk unless it is CONSTANT and REPRODUCIBLE every year... but it isn't... how people believe in global warming without evening knowing about the lack of science behind it is... amazing... and sad...
Haha no. You are making things up. Those who so readily dismiss it without knowing the science behind it is what amusing and terribly sad. Skepticism is one thing, but out right denial is another.
Climate is something that fluctuates over a period of time, there will be hot years and cold years. No one has predicated a constant upward trend except those who don't understand such things and try to lie about it (or maybe you are just misinformed). The data is showing an upward trend even with such cold years that have happened.
No, but then "climate change" isn't being used by the AGW crowd in the manner to which you are describing it. They hijacked the term to confuse people.
So it is conspiracy then? You never answer my question but keep ducking away.
And man has as little to do with the present fluctuations, as he did with the ones 100,000, 200,000, 300,000 etc. years ago.
But that just doesn't fit the Global-Whatever hysterics' agenda (pumping other people's money and votes into their own pockets), so you will hear everything BUT that from them, endlessly.
Prove it. Show to me that increased Co2 emissions (more than naturally emitted) don't cause climate change.
If it's warm where you are (for one winter) then by all means enjoy it. Everyone else is freezing their arses off this year. Climate change because of natural events such as the sun, yes. Global warming because of man (and the insane notion that man can change it) probably not so much.
I suppose that if you built a fire, everyone would be warm?
Yet after all those links, the data still shows an upward warming trend.
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