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[quote=stillkit;23223459]Now...if you can just find these folks a job which pays enough to support a family, maybe we can replicate your father's experience.
Ooops. Sorry. He'd have to go to China now because that's where our jobs are.[/quote]
Even if that were true, and it isn't, without, at a minimum, a GED, your job choices are going to be very limited.
But the broad charge that manufacturing has completely left these shores is a myth: You might be shocked to learn that the United States remains the biggest manufacturing economy in the world, producing about 20% of the value of global output."
In the area where I live employers are BEGGING (yes begging) for good workers. The cannot find anyone who is capable, reliable, trust-worthy and able to learn. They don't even have to have any experience - just SHOW UP on time and do their job. Of course, Springfield, Missouri is not every place, but I can promise you that except for a very few locations, there ARE jobs out there. Maybe they are low paying, but you can always get TWO of them if you want to work badly enough (to support a family).
20yrsinBranson
I have friend who is part owner of a very large electrical contracting company.
Even before the recession they couldn't find your guys willing to "work".
Oh, they wanted a job but, weren't willing to actually work.
I would agree with you Cav Scout Wife, but the problem is that many (not all, of course, but many), people who plead poverty are simply very bad with their money. Either they do not know HOW to budget their money or they give in to "wants" in place of needs.
Again that goes back to education thogh. If you teach someone the right way to do things, they are less likely to screw up and make wrong choices.
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I have tons of empathy for single moms, and yes I know that that condition is not always due to promiscuity. However, having worked with low class people in the past, I can tell you that first of all, they do not know how (or don't care how) to budget. If they get a tax refund, they immediately P*I*S*S it away on buying "stuff" that is usually unnecessary. At Christmas time they buy presents they cannot afford and frequently go into debt (payday loans seem to be the favorite source of credit). They spend money on renting movies, netflix, cell phones, internet access, eating out, etc. Again, I am speaking from FIRST HAND PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
That's quite a large brush you are painting with, but generally I agree with you, because they were not taught the right way to do things. Society can't expect it's citizens to spend wisely when our Gov can't set a good example, ya know?
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I am all for providing TEMPORARY assistance to people who need it. But not if they are going to abuse the privilege or continue in a lifestyle that wastes the tax payers money on frivolous things.
Yup.
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As for a second job, sometimes you have to do what you have to do. People have been having second jobs for DECADES, it's nothing new. If you want to get ahead financially, you have to be willing to work for it instead of putting your hand out. It's life.
20yrsinBranson
But that was my whole point, if living wages were given, there wouldn't be a NEED for a 2nd job, unless the person just chose to work. If you are practically forced to work a 2nd job to make ends meet, then you are not being piad a living wage to start with.
But that was my whole point, if living wages were given, there wouldn't be a NEED for a 2nd job, unless the person just chose to work. If you are practically forced to work a 2nd job to make ends meet, then you are not being piad a living wage to start with.
Much is tied to the CPI and the government doesn't count food or energy.
They seem to think we don't need either one to exist.
Betcha if people didn't buy energy or food then their paycheck WOULD be a living wage.
Poverty is not a revolving door. It is locked from the inside. Anyone is far more likely to become impoverished than to ever get out. Just have a very expensive uninsured illness or get too old. Just because someone accepts "personal responsibility" for being poor does not mean they will ever escape. They are in a game where that is all slides on the bottom and all ladders at the top and many people do not have to play because they have already won.
The OP is being just as selfish, ignorant and unreasonable as always.
Too true, and if you never learned the social skills of the middle class, even more doomed to fail.
That's the problem of generational poverty. Once a family is in poverty, they have to learn to survive, and are pretty much stuck in survival mode. that's something they learn, and that's what's passed on...things like education become a dream that's hard to attain. Simple things like how to properly act, and dress to even apply for a job aren't taught....and now with so much on computers, well...
A lot of these young adults aren't starting from the bottom, they're starting from below the bottom.
There is a wonderful program out there called Circles. Here's a link, and the cool thing is, it's not about giving a hand-out. It teaches that the 'system" is a trap, and unreliable while teaching people the skills and mindset to work their way out.
Actually, no I won't. Why? Because transfer payments (ie. redistributing tax dollars to entitlements) does absolutely nothing to teach personal responsibility. It starts at home, and with millions of broken homes, high school dropouts, the prevalence of crime, etc., there's absolutely NO WAY that personal responsibility is the theme within those families who receive those transfer payments.
I'm a (big) taxpayer. There is no revolving door to stop in my family. The door never started revolving to begin with because personal responsibility is an inherent theme. Therefore, my tax dollars are being thrown at people who have no designs on personal responsibility whatsoever.
That's the problem!
But you could take the time to volunteer to help someone fill out forms, or learn to read, or teach them other social skills that they never learned, because of the home life they had.
That is something liberal or conservative can do to make a change.
I see lots of posts here that place lots of blame on how a person is raised....and that's certainly true to some degree......BUT.......... I believe being "taught" personal responsibility reaches a point of diminishing returns once a person hits his/her 20's (solid adulthood) and at that point it is completely incumbent on the individual to step up to the plate, figure out what's right and what's wrong, and proceed with developing a personally responsible lifestyle that should come with being simply being a human.
It's not hard. God gave us brains with the capability to make decisions. Those decisions define us, and given the number of personally irresponsible people in this nation, it's frightening to look at the future in my view.
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