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Old 03-11-2012, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Riverside
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If the Administration were so sure that Texas was violating Medicaid rules, why didn't they let the courts do the dirty work for them?



Or are Democrats waging war on poor women for political points?
Yes, that's it exactly! It's the DEMOCRATS who are waging war on poor women for political points. It's ALWAYS been the Democrats who are waging war on poor women for political points.

You get the newspeak award for today with that one.
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Old 03-11-2012, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Texas
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If the Administration were so sure that Texas was violating Medicaid rules, why didn't they let the courts do the dirty work for them?

Or are Democrats waging war on poor women for political points?

Obama Administration To End Funding For Texas Health Program Over State's Abortion Law | Fox News


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After touring a hospital in Houston, Sebelius said the state law violates federal Medicaid regulations that require women be allowed to choose where they go for health care. Federal funds flowed to Texas under a waiver, but "we plan to let Texas know that that waiver will not be extended," Sebelius said.[LEFT]...
The state was warned that implementing the law would jeopardize federal funding, and Texas chose not to immediately enforce it when it was passed, Sebelius added.
"They knew ... they are not allowed to deny women the right to choose," Sebelius said. "Women would be losing their doctor, their medical home, their choice."

About 44 percent of women in the Texas program go to Planned Parenthood clinics, although none that accept funding from the program may perform abortions, and no federal funds are used to terminate pregnancies.

The problem in Texas is being caused by lawmakers' desire to prevent state funds from going to Planned Parenthood. The state is implementing a law that bars public funds from going to any programs, organizations or groups that are affiliated with abortions, even if they don't perform them.

Last year, Texas lawmakers slashed state funding for women's health and family planning programs by $73.6 million — cutting services to 160,000 women. They also took $10 million from a separate family planning budget line and shifted those responsibilities to organizations that administer Medicaid in Texas.

"We have been working with Texas. We're eager to work with Texas to find a solution," Sebelius said. "But if Texas chooses to go down a road that violates the law, we really have no choice."
There is no reason to go to the courts. Texas is violating the law, the guidelines within which the state gets federal funding for programs. They knew they were going to violate it, they have been told this would happen, and yet they continued to push to implement it anyway.

If anyone wants to use the courts the State can to get a stay to continue the funding. But then that would put Greg Abbott and others who are up for re-election soon on record as requesting federal funds for Planned Parenthood. And by God, no matter what, whether for the good of the people or my constituents or those that have no other option, "I" can't be seen advocating for something that the far right has deemed verboten.

Sooner or later the petard that one tries to hang others on, comes round and those who find themselves judge & jury tend to find themselves hoisted upon it.

Case in point.
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Old 03-11-2012, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Riverside
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Truly outrageous, unbelievable.

I guess there are NO lengths and depths this administration won't sink to in protecting their political allies.

Over 100,000 POOR WOMEN they are waging war against.
As Wilbur said to Orville, good luck getting THAT one off the ground

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/08/us...s-are-cut.html

Face it Sanrene- your team BLEW it with women for this cycle- they ain't coming back, no matter how many lies the GOP tells between now and Nov.
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Old 03-11-2012, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Riverside
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Obama Administration To End Funding For Texas Health Program Over State's Abortion Law | Fox News




There is no reason to go to the courts. Texas is violating the law, the guidelines within which the state gets federal funding for programs. They knew they were going to violate it, they have been told this would happen, and yet they continued to push to implement it anyway.

If anyone wants to use the courts the State can to get a stay to continue the funding. But then that would put Greg Abbott and others who are up for re-election soon on record as requesting federal funds for Planned Parenthood. And by God, no matter what, whether for the good of the people or my constituents or those that have no other option, "I" can't be seen advocating for something that the far right has deemed verboten.

Sooner or later the petard that one tries to hang others on, comes round and those who find themselves judge & jury tend to find themselves hoisted upon it.

Case in point.
Thanks for the link. Even FOX has the facts straight. The responsibility for Texas women losing access to health care lies with the Texas Taliban
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Old 03-11-2012, 09:24 AM
 
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Well that's clearer now. I hate media pieces that try to simplify and be concise and end up being ambiguous or incomplete.

Is Texas the new Kansas?
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Old 03-11-2012, 09:29 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Really the point to be made here is when the Govt takes our money for redistribution, they can threaten to withhold the money you've given them.

I trust TX Govt more then our National Govt. We seem to be doing some right things down here.
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Old 03-11-2012, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Perry has said that they will look for money in the Texas budget to cover the Fed money and that poor women will still be able to get healthcare. Texas knew this was coming.

Guess it would have been nice if she called the Governor first and told him before announcing to the Press.
But then again, there is no love lost between Texas and the WH.

Obama is in Houston at a $38K/plate fundraiser. Wonder if he will have any comments.
hmm,.. Read the article?

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Perry said the decision by the Obama administration was "politically motivated," and said it was an affront that Sebelius had not informed the state of Texas before announcing the move to the press.
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Old 03-11-2012, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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hmm,.. Read the article?
Yes and FYI Texas made that decision last year. They knew what could happen before this announcement. And our local MSM had articles on this before HHS announcement.
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Old 03-11-2012, 09:49 AM
 
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Government to cut Texas women's health funds in abortion dispute | Reuters

The federal government will withdraw funding for a Texas program providing more than 100,000 poor women with birth control and other health services because Planned Parenthood clinics are not allowed to participate, a U.S. Health and Human Services spokeswoman said on Friday.
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius announced the decision in Houston on Friday, prompting a furious response from Texas Governor Rick Perry, who called it an "egregious federal overreach."
At the heart of the dispute between the administration of President Barack Obama and Texas is the divisive issue of abortion.
The Texas legislature last year voted to cut off funding for Planned Parenthood because the network of women's health clinics performs abortions. The federal government says that this violates rules of Medicaid, the health program for the poor.
Best news I've heard all day!
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Old 03-11-2012, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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For those not in Texas, there were articles about this. The decision was made last year by the Texas legislature.
Look, isn't this a GOOD thing that states are taking more financial responsibility for their poor and not depending on the FedGov for handouts ?

This article came out Thursday 3/8:
Perry: Texas will pick up tab for women's health program
If the federal government withholds funding for the Medicaid Women's Health Program as expected, Texas will find state money to continue providing contraceptive care to low-income women, Gov. Rick Perry promised Thursday.
"We're going to fund this program," Perry said. "We'll find the money."
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Perry repeated assurances that other providers will fill the void left by Planned Parenthood. "There are over 4,600 total providers, some 25 different groups across the state" that are ready to step in, he said.
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