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Old 05-17-2012, 12:32 PM
 
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I won't be a party to the birther issue, but I would come closer at this point to believing Pravda than I would the New York Times.

That is the real problem with this country. And it's our own fault, Russians are not involved.
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Old 05-18-2012, 04:31 AM
 
Location: State Fire and Ice
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first off the requirement is that the president be a "natural born citizen". that requirement can also include someone born outside of the US to a US citizen parent. from the tribe/olson memo submitted by congress:

"These sources all confirm that the phrase “natural born” includes both birth abroad to parents who were citizens, and birth within a nation’s territory and allegiance."

Barackryphal: The Tribe/Olson Memo on Natural Born Citizenship

second, obama was born in the US.

you are correct that schwarzenegger ( schwartz? ) does not meet the criteria for a US natural born citizen.
Frankly I no difference where he was born , the main thing that he justified the hopes of Your people!!!schwartz ,
we are accustomed to reduce its name, it's easier now and all is clear exactly
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Old 05-18-2012, 12:57 PM
 
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It's a sad day when citizens of the U.S. are now siding with Pravda to be against the President. Forty years ago you would have been hauled off to jail for that commie sentiment.
And the people who are now siding with Pravda against the POTUS would have been the first people to push for someone to have been hauled off to jail for that sentiment 40 plus years ago....
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Old 05-18-2012, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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And the people who are now siding with Pravda against the POTUS would have been the first people to push for someone to have been hauled off to jail for that sentiment 40 plus years ago....
Ain't that the "truth".
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Old 05-18-2012, 03:51 PM
 
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How fascinating that the Right in the US and Russia's Communist Party mouthpiece are on the same side! This is truly a Red-letter day!
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Old 05-18-2012, 03:54 PM
 
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How fascinating that the Right in the US and Russia's Communist Party mouthpiece are on the same side! This is truly a Red-letter day!
Gives a whole new significance to the term "red states"

Pravda, btw, is no longer communist, but it is just as anti-American as it ever was.
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Old 05-18-2012, 03:59 PM
 
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Those old communist media outlets are still the official gov't line. Don't doubt that members of the Party (which is still alive and kicking) are involved.(Don't forget: Putin himself is ex-KGB.) But you're right, it's no longer owned and run by the Party.
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Old 05-18-2012, 04:06 PM
 
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Those old communist media outlets are still the official gov't line. Don't doubt that members of the Party (which is still alive and kicking) are involved.(Don't forget: Putin himself is ex-KGB.) But you're right, it's no longer owned and run by the Party.
The same elite who ran the Party are still in control of Russia (and are in control as much as ever) and in control of Pravda, but they ditched the communism. The KGB, including Putin, knew that communism only destroyed the power of a nation and that Russia would get back on its feet if it embraced capitalism. But the same people are in control. Ideology is expendable as long as the same hands are controlling power.

Kinda sounds a bit like the US, doesn't it?
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Old 05-19-2012, 04:26 AM
 
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The KGB, the Committee of the state security. It is not ruled parties.This, too, that in the USA - the FBI, But in a big way. You can issue? Why the world is so afraid of and afraid of Communism?Or for the West it is just and national-socialism?The Foundation of communism is a community. ie all people are equal and all are equally live. This is bad?In the real world communism full in the USSR was not.It was for the simple people. But officials pockets filled money, now they oligarchs.But officials worked on the same work as the people, but sometimes collected and claimed laws. today, the officials do not work, only make laws. get a very, very big salary, at the expense of the taxes of the people.Sorry that marred post is topic

And why are so afraid of the KGB? You know that was and there is another organization which is much stronger and more experienced.The world and the United States, Learned that such Agency has. When in the 90's Yeltsin open this .The name of the GRU, Main intelligence Directorate.The GRU and the KGB were the main in the secret project of the USA - the Manhattan project AND occupy the main positions of this project. The KGB was afraid to even the GRU
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Old 05-19-2012, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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And why are so afraid of the KGB? You know that was and there is another organization which is much stronger and more experienced.The world and the United States, Learned that such Agency has. When in the 90's Yeltsin open this .The name of the GRU, Main intelligence Directorate.The GRU and the KGB were the main in the secret project of the USA - the Manhattan project AND occupy the main positions of this project. The KGB was afraid to even the GRU
The GRU was the military intelligence agency of the Soviet Union. There certainly was a rivalry between them and the KGB, but I don't see how one could argue that one was stronger or better then any other. Besides, it was the Soviet Union - it would be heresy to suggest that one group is better than another, right?
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