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Old 03-15-2012, 10:14 PM
 
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until such time as we develop directed energy weapons, and until such time as we stop having wars in cities and towns, we will never eliminate collateral damage.
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Old 03-15-2012, 10:37 PM
 
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I dunno, I'd say genocide or specific targeting of civilians would be worse than collateral damage.
I was only writing in the context of the theory of just war. Had I not, I would of course agree with you.
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Old 03-15-2012, 11:44 PM
 
Location: The Bay
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Is there really a difference?
Good article at link below, maybe it's time we take responsibility for the murder in the wars that we support.

The systemic atrocity of Afghanistan's occupation | Ross Caputi | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

I agree with that article. The reason why a lot of other Americans don't agree with it is because none of them have ever experienced fighting a war on their own turf other than Hawaiians. It's easy to rationalize collateral damage when it's not your family that's at risk.
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Old 03-16-2012, 12:02 AM
 
Location: SWUS
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What atrocities are you speaking of, exactly? Sure, there are isolated incidents, but you refer to it as if there is widespread rape and murder, like the Rape of Nanking.
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Old 03-16-2012, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Northern Va. from N.J.
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What atrocities are you speaking of, exactly? Sure, there are isolated incidents, but you refer to it as if there is widespread rape and murder, like the Rape of Nanking.
Isolated incidents???

It is estimated that over a million civilians have died directly or indirectly because of our invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan; many more have been wounded or displaced.

From all accounts from veterans of these two wars the rules of engagement totally breaks down out of fear for one's life which leads to killing any innocent civilian that gets to close to any patrol.
if they hear one shot fired soldiers out of fear for their lives will open up with automatic weapons firing indiscriminately into buildings

You can watch and listen to their testimonies at the following link

Winter Soldier | Iraq Veterans Against the War
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