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Old 03-21-2012, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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The current occupant of the White House was duly elected in an uncontested election.
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That would mean that there was no one running in opposition. I'm sure it's not what you meant.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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Canadians have diesels. It's called having glowplugs installed (standard on all VW diesels) and winterizing diesel, which is more common these days. That doesn't stop Norwegian, Swedish, and Finnish drivers from using diesels in winter
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Nothing is wrong with the idea. Nothing is wrong with government subsidization in the name of the future. Truth be told, the government has been big on subsidizing various industries for ages. Conservatives whine about our manufacturing sector loosing edge and falling behind, yet they completely ignore the fact that the government heavily subsidized the sector after WW2. Many of our modern manufacturing processes were born during this period of time.

Subsidization of various sectors are made in the name of helping the U.S. achieve peak competitiveness. Without these efforts, R & D expenses become the major obstacle, and often serve to slow down or stunt progress. The last thing we want in this country is to fall behind, because once behind, climbing back up becomes a much more challenging proposition. Especially considering how heavily subsidized economies like China are today.

As far as I'm concerned, subsidization of hybrid or electric cars is a much better use of our limited resources than welfare and corporate subsidies, which produce nothing. Perhaps we should also get rid of our educational system as well? After all, there's no sense in subsidizing someone's future. Tell them to hit the pavement at 12 years old and find a job like they did in 1900.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:25 PM
 
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My parents love their Volt. Best car they've ever owned they say.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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Why do folks guffaw at all the efforts to make fuel efficient cars, like electrics, when it is clear that oil is increasingly volatile?
Because they're expensive. When you have to resort to subsidizing something to sell it, that's a red flag that says the public doesn't want it.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:29 PM
 
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Nothing is wrong with the idea. Nothing is wrong with government subsidization in the name of the future. Truth be told, the government has been big on subsidizing various industries for ages. Conservatives whine about our manufacturing sector loosing edge and falling behind, yet they completely ignore the fact that the government heavily subsidized the sector after WW2. Many of our modern manufacturing processes were born during this period of time.

Subsidization of various sectors are made in the name of helping the U.S. achieve peak competitiveness. Without these efforts, R & D expenses become the major obstacle, and often serve to slow down or stunt progress. The last thing we want in this country is to fall behind, because once behind, climbing back up becomes a much more challenging proposition. Especially considering how heavily subsidized economies like China are today.

As far as I'm concerned, subsidization of hybrid or electric cars is a much better use of our limited resources than welfare and corporate subsidies, which produce nothing. Perhaps we should also get rid of our educational system as well? After all, there's no sense in subsidizing someone's future. Tell them to hit the pavement at 12 years old and find a job like they did in 1900.
Thats right, without subsidies from the wise men in federal government, we wouldnt have the car, airplanes,electricity, indoor plumbing,education, sunlight, oxygen, gravity....
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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The ONLY way for the Volt to make sense would be to slash the price by at least half.

It simply doesn't make sense in this marketplace; it's far too expensive, has too many limitations to list, and even for $21K-$25K, you can buy a substantially better car which makes much more sense economics-wise and reliability-wise.

A simple solution would be for federal & state governments to buy tons of them, given the huge number of automobiles owned by various governments nationwide, and let them put up with them.

Since the public has voted a resounding no with their wallets, there's no other alternative.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:50 PM
 
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The ONLY way for the Volt to make sense would be to slash the price by at least half.

It simply doesn't make sense in this marketplace; it's far too expensive, has too many limitations to list, and even for $21K-$25K, you can buy a substantially better car which makes much more sense economics-wise and reliability-wise.

A simple solution would be for federal & state governments to buy tons of them, given the huge number of automobiles owned by various governments nationwide, and let them put up with them.

Since the public has voted a resounding no with their wallets, there's no other alternative.
What "substantially better car" would you buy in the 21-25K range (which is right what my parents paid for their Volt) and how is it much better both economics-wise and reliability-wise?
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Old 12-04-2012, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Limbo
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Ever try to start one in Minnesota in January?
My conventionally powered car hardly starts.

I think it is a decent vehicle, but if the market was there, more people would buy it.
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Old 12-04-2012, 07:49 PM
 
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Oil $88 a barrel today.
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