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Old 03-21-2012, 05:31 AM
 
Location: NC
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lol, a "balanced budget" that doesn't actually get balanced until 2040. Paul Ryan is a joke.
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Old 03-21-2012, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Still refuses to offer any revenue increase, only cuts. There is no similarity to Simpson-Bowles. He again would assure the demise of Medicare. Nothing new, oh except now they call the "Death Panels", unelected bureaucrats. I guess so they can confuse their minions...apparently it works .. ^^
If the democrats in the senate want to add tax increases then why don't they take Ryan's plan and make their own adjustments then send it back to the house. That is the way our government is supposed to work. But Reid will not even consider the bill. Our budget is fine just the way it is, right?
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Old 03-21-2012, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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I don't actually see this as a mistake, unless you take honesty as a mistake.

Many Republicans, many on this board in fact, can not settle on the fact that Americans like social security and medicare.

Ryans plan would cut both, and allow opt outs, etc. Its a good starting point for a compromise. But this is generally the Republican motto. Allow private investment outside of social security, if not end it. Allow for private options of medicare, if you can find any. And increase military spending. All the while, hardly, if ever, raise taxes.

Democrats just spend and spend and spend, without raising taxes, and without cutting programs.

There are realistic cuts and changes to the medicare and social security programs. We should cut defense, instead of increase it, and taxes are simply going to have to be raised, probably on everyone, to pay down our national debt.

Thats the hard truth, and Ryan's plan lays out some hard truths. But where its politically a problem is that they seem to think that if they keep telling people that privatizing social security and medicare are good options, and the real truth is 70% of Americans support those programs EXACTLY the way they appear today.

I'm not saying that we should leave well enough alone, because they are hardly well enough, but the cuts and changes he proposes simply are supported by Americans.
No cuts are EVER supported by those that don't have to pay for them. 47% will be opposed to any cut right off the bat. That doesn't mean that cuts are not the right thing to do. The Greek people don't support cuts either.
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Old 03-21-2012, 06:00 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Great to see the GOP shooting themselves in the foot again. I wonder why they do that?
The republicans are trying to save this country, not just pander to voters.
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Old 03-21-2012, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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And you're different, I assume? Really? That you like both or neither?

Personally, I don't see how Affordable Care Act affects me adversely. As I said, it is far from being perfect, and the least we should have gotten is a public option. As for this Paul Ryan idiocy (that you likely "like", but you don't like ACA), my questioning starts with... why start 10 years down the road? Too much of a voting bloc to deal with, if we were to start 3-5 years down the road instead?
You are so comical. So Ryan's plan does not go far enough? Your pandering democrats won't cut a penny because of the political ramifications.
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Old 03-21-2012, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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The republicans are trying to save this country, not just pander to voters.
Representative government provides what voters want. You call heeding to voter's need, "pandering." That's absurd.

Besides, how is lowering taxes on the rich even more and paying for that by slashing programs for everyone else, "saving this country?" That's the opposite of saving this country. We have ten years of experience showing us that cutting taxes on wealth doesn't do anything but further enrich the rich. Why would more be expected to be any different?

The old Ryan Budget claimed to reduce the deficit but only by making exaggerating claims, such as immediately upon passage, unemployment would drop to a point not seen since the Korean War. It also uses magic asterisks forging baseless assumptions. What it did was lower taxes on the rich and shift the cost of government downward, while doing nothing to lower the deficit.

The new Ryan Plan doesn't even state where the tax brackets start and end.

From today's NY Times Editorial:
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As he rolled out his 2013 budget on Tuesday, Paul Ryan, the House Budget Committee chairman, correctly said that he and his fellow Republicans were offering the country a choice of two very clear futures. The one he outlined in his plan could hardly be more bleak.

It is one where the rich pay less in taxes than the unfairly low rates they pay now, while programs for the poor — including Medicaid and food stamps — are slashed and thrown to the whims of individual states. Where older Americans no longer have a guarantee that Medicare will pay for their health needs. Where lack of health insurance is rampant, preschool is unaffordable, and environmental and financial regulation are severely weakened.
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It vows to balance tax cuts for corporations and the rich by closing loopholes, but never lists the loopholes. It is, however, quite specific about cutting Medicaid by about 45 percent, leaving 19 million people without care, and eliminating plans to provide health insurance for 33 million who lack coverage now.
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The contrast with President Obama’s budget, which raises taxes on the rich to protect vital programs while reducing the deficit, could not be more clear.
Oh, and do you really think that the Ryan Budget, which the GOP knows will never get passed the Senate, isn't pandering to the conservative Republican base?

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Old 03-21-2012, 06:08 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Ah, Eddie Munster resurfaces to scare the bejesus out of seniors just in time for the presidential campaign.

Excellent


OBAMA - Biden 2012
Nice try. Seniors are not effected by the Ryan proposals.
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Old 03-21-2012, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Errr, the Pres is offering reason. Plus, he is presenting a Budget this year, just as he has every year. It's a requirement. As for your reference to Dems Constitutional requirement to do, just where is that in the Constitution?
And his party votes against it every year, He is a joke, just like them. When was the last budget we got from the senate? Passing continuing budget resolutions is not passing a budget.
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Old 03-21-2012, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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And his party votes against it every year, He is a joke, just like them. When was the last budget we got from the senate? Passing continuing budget resolutions is not passing a budget.
And the problem with Continuing Resolutions is what?
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Old 03-21-2012, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Just like the GOP, who have made zero progress on growing jobs since the 2010 election.
The Gop has 30 job growth bills that they passed and sent to harry reid. The bills have not been even looked at by the democrats.
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