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Old 09-13-2007, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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I'm curious about the 2nd paragraph. How did you come to this conclusion? And if we are going to use that at an arguement, the blame is out our feet. I would imagine it would be hard to be urbane and to continue a semblance of the normal education process when your country is being blown to bits and the only legal system in place is that of the US military. And if blown to bits isn't enough, how about we add in the starvation and depleted uranium problem or the just plain deplorable living conditions.
Do you know any Iranians? They are faced with a government that is similar to what ours would be if Jerry Falwell were President and the Christian Coalition held all nine seats on the Supreme Court.

Given their situation, you'd be ready -- more than ready -- for a radical change of course.

Unless of course, you're a bug burkah fan, who is willing to risk being whipped for uncovering your head or stoned to death for adultery.
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Old 09-13-2007, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Northeast TN
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Do you know any Iranians? They are faced with a government that is similar to what ours would be if Jerry Falwell were President and the Christian Coalition held all nine seats on the Supreme Court.

Given their situation, you'd be ready -- more than ready -- for a radical change of course.

Unless of course, you're a bug burkah fan, who is willing to risk being whipped for uncovering your head or stoned to death for adultery.
Okay, so the Falwell comparision makes me shudder. Yikes! I don't want to imagine that world. I am not suggesting that the Iranian people are not ready for a change, nor do I find the oppression of women to be tolerable. I was simply inquiring about your logic in comparison of Iraq to Iran, particularly the urbane/educated remark.

And so what if I were masochistic?
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Old 09-13-2007, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I hold firm to my belief that bringing down Iran's current ruling group of aging religious fanatics would be in everyone's best interest -- not least, the people of Iran, who are urbane and educated to a degree not present in Iraq.
Where did you obtain information that Iraqis were not an educated population?

Refugees International: Iraqi Refugees: Resettlement Questions and Answers (http://www.refugeesinternational.org/content/article/detail/10173 - broken link)
Prior to UN economic sanctions (1990-2003) and the current conflict, Iraq had one of the most highly educated, urban populations in the Middle East. There was a large middle class of professionals and a strong university system. Today, some of the most vulnerable groups being persecuted in Iraq include intellectuals, doctors, teachers, engineers and other professionals. Many of these professionals speak English well. In addition, there are many successful Iraqi businessmen and other tradesmen.
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Old 09-13-2007, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Okay, so the Falwell comparision makes me shudder. Yikes! I don't want to imagine that world. I am not suggesting that the Iranian people are not ready for a change, nor do I find the oppression of women to be tolerable. I was simply inquiring about your logic in comparison of Iraq to Iran, particularly the urbane/educated remark.

And so what if I were masochistic?
Somehow I don't see you being that way.

Any woman who calls herself a "mook" is a) probably from New York and b) has a great, self-deprecating sense of humor.

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Old 09-13-2007, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Northeast TN
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You haven't answered the question of how you arrived at the conclusion previously stated.

Oh and a) is wrong.
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Old 09-13-2007, 02:55 PM
 
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Where did you obtain information that Iraqis were not an educated population?

Refugees International: Iraqi Refugees: Resettlement Questions and Answers (http://www.refugeesinternational.org/content/article/detail/10173 - broken link)
Prior to UN economic sanctions (1990-2003) and the current conflict, Iraq had one of the most highly educated, urban populations in the Middle East. There was a large middle class of professionals and a strong university system. Today, some of the most vulnerable groups being persecuted in Iraq include intellectuals, doctors, teachers, engineers and other professionals. Many of these professionals speak English well. In addition, there are many successful Iraqi businessmen and other tradesmen.
I don't believe I stated that Iraqis were not educated. In fact, I have worked with groups of Iraqi educators for the past four years under the auspices of a US DOE grant. My point was that the Iranians, with their centuries-long imperial tradition and more cosmopolitan outlook, are more enlightened in general than the mixed tribes and religious sects which constitute most of what remains of Iraq's population which has not fled or been otherwise displaced.
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Old 09-13-2007, 02:57 PM
 
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You haven't answered the question of how you arrived at the conclusion previously stated.

Oh and a) is wrong.
See my reply to tigerlily above.

Not a New Yorker? A city girl, then, for sure. Not to be confused with similar pseudonyms, of course.
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Old 09-13-2007, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Northeast TN
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See my reply to tigerlily above.

Not a New Yorker? A city girl, then, for sure. Not to be confused with similar pseudonyms, of course.
Bite your tongue! Or fingers!
Thinking....I'm pretty sure that I gave the approval rating for TN in a previous post. Hmmmm. Perhaps that might be a clue? Where is Steve and the thinking chair when you need him?
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Old 09-13-2007, 03:06 PM
 
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Bite your tongue! Or fingers!
Thinking....I'm pretty sure that I gave the approval rating for TN in a previous post. Hmmmm. Perhaps that might be a clue? Where is Steve and the thinking chair when you need him?
Well now, you've lost me completely. TN is approved? Steve has a chair?

What happened to the educated Iraqis? Aside from pinching my fingers?
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Old 09-13-2007, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Northeast TN
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Ha Ha Ha It was an obscure reference brought about, no doubt, by my brain suffering a complete meltdown at the very prospect of well...nevermind.
However, if you would be so kind as to refresh your memory with the title of this thread you may see the light.
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