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But I support many of the goals NCLB. A uniform way to measure achievement is good. When you have uniform standards, teacher performance can be compared more objectively. And is is easier to compare academic results from Mississippi to California.
I think a more fundamental problem exists - and it isn't in the schools. It is the poor family life millions of people have. We need to fix that more than we need to fix schools.
Excellent post. A lot of the problems with achievement & competency has a lot more to do with culture/value systems, in particular ones that prides itself on anti-intellectualism.
Until that core problem is recognized then no amount of privatization or laws will change anything.
Here's a couple of articles (nods to informed) that I've found very informative on the subject of education.
Not everyone has a car, so not everyone should pay for roads.
Agreed.
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Not everyone uses the courts, so those people shouldn't have to pay for judge's salaries.
Yet everyone potentially is a possible victim of the actions of a criminal, and so your argument fails here. If it were a matter of "If I commit a crime, I should pay for the courts", then I would agree with you, but the fact is... everyone is a possible victim and there is no way to determine who is not. Poor example. By the way, this is also a basic component of government. Defense of the nation and protection of their individual liberties. This one properly applies for funding.
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Some people are vegetarians, so they shouldn't have to pay for meat inspection.
Correct, this should be paid for by the manufactures who produce and those who buy meat for consumption. Take it further though, it should be a court issue. That is, you make extremely strong punishments for negligence and the like and you hold the company who violates such responsible. This takes us back to simply paying for court aspects.
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Besides being impossible to administer, the notion that one should only pay for services that one uses directly is preposterous. We indirectly benefit from public services. The billionaire factory owner who sends his children to private academies benefits from a workforce that is educated through the public dole.
Not at all. with schools, you administer it by having only those who have children enrolled paying. A public school would then be much cheaper as it would likely contain the largest pool of payers. It would also have donation types. If the public system fails, it is because few are enrolling in it and few wish to donate to it because it is a wasted and poor system.
Socialism is a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
Honestly, the way people use this term it ceases to have any meaning. It seem like any government program is socialist (assuming it is a program that someone doesn't like).
You can call a dead body many things, establish its level decomposition in stages, classify its toxicity stage levels, etc... but in the end, it is still a dead body.
Simple seems to fit. All of them violate individual liberty and that is the point.
You can call a dead body many things, establish its level decomposition in stages, classify its toxicity stage levels, etc... but in the end, it is still a dead body.
Simple seems to fit. All of them violate individual liberty and that is the point.
But ALWAYS start with understanding meaning of words you tend to throw anywhere and everywhere.
yes. Public schools don't teach anything they are just liberal indoctrination training grounds. Vouchers should be given out for private schooling and homeschooling should be stressed.
Actually, it wasn't. You are welcome to explain it though. What was your point?
Agreement with this...
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This is socialism...
Socialism is a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
Honestly, the way people use this term it ceases to have any meaning. It seem like any government program is socialist (assuming it is a program that someone doesn't like).
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