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Old 05-14-2012, 10:31 PM
 
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Originally Posted by TempesT68 View Post
The GOP says something is bad, then they do it themselves. Such as posted in the OP that the GOP pretends to be pro-freedom, but are actually huge government fascist tyrants.

It's a severe mental illness carried by the right winger
Lets examine the list provided..

-Same-Sex Marriage <--- um, last week Obama himself opposed gay marriages
-Contraception <--- more failure, conservatives have nothing against you using contraception, they are against THEM paying for you using it.
-Abortion <-- Where is the childs freedom? You dont care about anyone else but yourelf, so spare me the bs about mental illness. Furthermore, most Republicans I know, dont vote on the abortion issue. Just made up garbage.
-Drug-use <--- You support drug use? Whats this supposed to mean, that the GOP opposes drug use, well dah..
-Prostitution <--- I'm all for prostitutin, you FAIL.
-Gambling <--- And I LOVE gambling.. ITS MY MONEY, but thats right, you think its governments money!!

FAIL!!! Another left wing typical hate posting full of babbling bs!!!
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Old 05-15-2012, 12:54 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Umm did I miss something? Did anyone say they wanted to ban contraceptives? Only thing I heard was that we didn't want tax money to pay for other people's contraceptives. Take responsibility for your own body and actions. If you can't afford BC pills then maybe you need to cancel the cable or satellite TV, cancel the cell phone service, cancel the internet service, stop smoking, stop drinking booze, and stop clubbing and maybe you could afford your BC pills!
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Old 05-15-2012, 01:02 AM
 
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Please name SPECIFIC things Republicans believe should be legal that Democrats oppose, which restrict our freedom?

I don't understand it because Republicans oppose so many things:

-Same-Sex Marriage
-Contraception
-Abortion
-Drug-use
-Prostitution
-Gambling

I also don't understand it because Republicans support things such as "enhanced" interrogation aka torture, arrests without trial (suspected terrorists even if American), overseas prisons, monitoring of emails/phones etc, opposition to mosques, wanting national id cards...

I'm not saying whether these things are good or bad, I'm just saying I don't understand how a Republican can say their party is the party of freedom, while Democrats aren't.
GOP supports many freedoms, but then again, so do some Democrats

The freedom to pollute the environment
The freedom to hire 5 year olds
The freedom to torture terrorist suspects
The freedom to discriminate against Blacks (Ron Paul)
The freedom to demand citizen papers from people on the street
The freedom to shoot a 17 year old just because he is or seems thuggish
The freedom to invade countries just because we want their resources
The freedom to make racist statements without opposition
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Old 05-15-2012, 01:04 AM
 
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Lets examine the list provided..

-Same-Sex Marriage <--- um, last week Obama himself opposed gay marriages
Being anti-gay marriage is a GOP staple. They have tried, or passed anti-gay legislation around the country. This is clearly anti-freedom

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-Contraception <--- more failure, conservatives have nothing against you using contraception, they are against THEM paying for you using it.
This is an attack on women as they want to force their right wing "morals" crap on the masses along with trying to destroy woman's needs facilities.
If the GOP were so concerned, why aren't they rallying for bans on male sexual needs like viagra?

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-Abortion <-- Where is the childs freedom? You dont care about anyone else but yourelf, so spare me the bs about mental illness. Furthermore, most Republicans I know, dont vote on the abortion issue. Just made up garbage.
Abortion is pretty much the strongest anti-freedom GOP social issue around. They want to force on a woman what they can and can not do with their own body.

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-Drug-use <--- You support drug use? Whats this supposed to mean, that the GOP opposes drug use, well dah..
True, people like Beck and Limbaugh are prime drug abuse staples, but the question relates to the GOP's strong stance on anti-drug freedom issues like marijuana legalization.

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-Prostitution <--- I'm all for prostitutin, you FAIL.
I'm sure you are all for prostitutin (sic),...though the GOP again is showing their anti-freedom true colors by being against it.

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-Gambling <--- And I LOVE gambling.. ITS MY MONEY, but thats right, you think its governments money!!
That's fantastic, though again, the GOP is against it with their anti-freedom stances.

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FAIL!!! Another left wing typical hate posting full of babbling bs!!!
Win, the OP makes great points on how the GOP pretends to be pro-freedom, but in actuality, they are anything but.
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:34 AM
 
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Please name SPECIFIC things Republicans believe should be legal that Democrats oppose, which restrict our freedom?
(1) Republicans believe it should be legal to drill for oil on all coastal oceanic shelves.

Democrats oppose ... restricting economic freedom and independence from countries that hate us.


(2) Republicans believe it should be legal to allow "right to work" statehood.

Democrats oppose ... restricting economic and philosophic freedom.


(3) Republicans believe it should be legal to reduce unwarranted regulations on businesses that are designed to minimize the unproven effects of man's contribution to global warming.

Democrats oppose ... restricting economic growth and free thought. Democratic indoctrination on America's youth is unethical.


(4) Republicans believe it should be legal to put toys in Happy Meals.

Democrats oppose ... restricting a family's personal right to make decisions for themselves.


The list goes on and on.



Ya know, this question is so stupid. It is designed to make one side look like Liberals go along with everything Republicans think should be legal - but not the other way around. Obama is talking about flying spy drones over the United States now. Hmm, which party is infringing on freedom now?


Now, this thread was written to pronounce how forward thinking Democrats are because they think that being homosexual is great. Didn't mention the overwhelming amount of chlamydia and AIDS spread by these fools.


Republicans don't want to legalize polygamy.

But, it seems like -- since Democrats are so deliciously licking the idea of homosexuality -- that polygamy would be right around the corner for Progressive inclusion and desirability. Even as a civil rights platform.



But, since Romney is a Mormon, and it was found that one of his distant ancestors had more than one wife -- Democrats are staunchly ( and hypocritically ) repulsed by polygamy and attacking him for it in the media. No surprise there.

If one of Harry Reid's ancestors practiced polygamy .... that's fine.
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Old 05-15-2012, 04:51 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Lets examine the list provided..

-Same-Sex Marriage <--- um, last week Obama himself opposed gay marriages
-Contraception <--- more failure, conservatives have nothing against you using contraception, they are against THEM paying for you using it.
-Abortion <-- Where is the childs freedom? You dont care about anyone else but yourelf, so spare me the bs about mental illness. Furthermore, most Republicans I know, dont vote on the abortion issue. Just made up garbage.
-Drug-use <--- You support drug use? Whats this supposed to mean, that the GOP opposes drug use, well dah..
-Prostitution <--- I'm all for prostitutin, you FAIL.
-Gambling <--- And I LOVE gambling.. ITS MY MONEY, but thats right, you think its governments money!!

FAIL!!! Another left wing typical hate posting full of babbling bs!!!

Um, No one is purposing paying for all womens contraception. Much like your car insurance is mandated to have a certain amount of coverage, now your medical insurance has to cover contraception.

Really, there is no difference.

I get so damned tired of hearing Republicans saying "I don't want to pay for your mistakes...."

Its a stupid lie, by uninformed people, or people who willingly choose to uninform others.

The "issue" if you can call it that, over contraception was that employers who disagreed with the use of contraception were mandated to provide insurance for their employees which covered contraception.

That was the issue, the tax payer is not paying for it, so get off your high horse.

As for all of the other points you're talking about, if you don't like them, don't practice them. In a free country, individuals should be able to do with their bodies what they damned well please, or we aren't free.
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:01 AM
 
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Originally Posted by bmw335xi View Post
Please name SPECIFIC things Republicans believe should be legal that Democrats oppose, which restrict our freedom?

I don't understand it because Republicans oppose so many things:

-Same-Sex Marriage
-Contraception
-Abortion
-Drug-use
-Prostitution
-Gambling

I also don't understand it because Republicans support things such as "enhanced" interrogation aka torture, arrests without trial (suspected terrorists even if American), overseas prisons, monitoring of emails/phones etc, opposition to mosques, wanting national id cards...

I'm not saying whether these things are good or bad, I'm just saying I don't understand how a Republican can say their party is the party of freedom, while Democrats aren't.
A) Obama was against gay marriage until last week.

B) Conservatives are NOT against contraception.....just against people demanding that it be paid for by someone else.

C) Yes....conservatives ARE against the wholesale slaughter of unborn humans.

D) ILLEGAL drug use fund violence.

E) Prostitution is a war on women.

D) Gambling is okay by me.

As far as "enhanced interrogation", waterboarding is considered torture by the left. They would rather invade a sovereign nation and shoot someone in the face and dropping bombs from drones.

Republicans are not all Constitutional conservatives, and many are progressives.

We conservatives want government out of the things that they have no constitutional authority to be involved in.

Nothing more, nothing less.
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:09 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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A) Obama was against gay marriage until last week.

B) Conservatives are NOT against contraception.....just against people demanding that it be paid for by someone else.

C) Yes....conservatives ARE against the wholesale slaughter of unborn humans.

D) ILLEGAL drug use fund violence.

E) Prostitution is a war on women.

D) Gambling is okay by me.

As far as "enhanced interrogation", waterboarding is considered torture by the left. They would rather invade a sovereign nation and shoot someone in the face and dropping bombs from drones.

Republicans are not all Constitutional conservatives, and many are progressives.

We conservatives want government out of the things that they have no constitutional authority to be involved in.

Nothing more, nothing less.

There is that stupid lie again.

NO ONE is saying that someone else has to pay for your contraception, no one. What was mandated is that the coverage you already have, cover contraception. Not that it be covered for free. United Health Care, or whomever your insurance provider is, is free to raise their rates to make up the extra costs.

Actually most health insurance providers already provide for free contraception, because its a hell of a lot cheaper then paying for birthing and babies.

But all the stink was, is that the Catholic church didn't want to provide their employees with the option, and they are mandated to do so now. That was it. Not that the tax payers, not that padchaser, not that alphamale, not that Memphis1979 pay for their contraception.

It isn't free, quit spreading the lie!!!!

When government grows, freedom is lost. If a 25 year old woman wants to be a prostitute, its no ones place to stop her. She is going to do it anyway, and without legal protection.

Same goes with all of the other individual freedom issues you talk about. Make them illegal, they continue, and without legal protection. You want a utopia, and free countries are never a utopia.
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:40 AM
 
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Being anti-gay marriage is a GOP staple. They have tried, or passed anti-gay legislation around the country. This is clearly anti-freedom
No its not. Up until last week, the GOP stance IS EXACTLY the same as Obamas, yes, even as he's flip flopped dozens of times on the issue, the stance is that STATES should decide. Furthermore, there is no freedom to get married, stop being stupid. you must APPLY to get married NOW.. You do know that, right? Yes, Obama said STATES should decide. A very nice way to say, give me your money, but he doesnt really think its a "right", because rights arent state determined.

Liberals, played for a fool time and time again.
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This is an attack on women as they want to force their right wing "morals" crap on the masses along with trying to destroy woman's needs facilities.
MORE LIES.. No one wants to destroy them, they simply want YOU to pay for facilities YOU agree with.

But like a typical left wing liberal kook, you dont understand the difference between opposing government funding, and the underlying cause.
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Abortion is pretty much the strongest anti-freedom GOP social issue around. They want to force on a woman what they can and can not do with their own body.
Lie again. I'm noticing a pattern with you. Conservatives again want the STATES to decide, and I know lots of conservatives that dont give one iota about the abortion issue. Its you liberals who constantly bring it up, trying to make it an issue.
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True, people like Beck and Limbaugh are prime drug abuse staples, but the question relates to the GOP's strong stance on anti-drug freedom issues like marijuana legalization.
Funny considering Obama continues to fund raiding marijuana facilities, but hey.. that completely contradicts the left wing babbling hate, and wouldnt give you a reason to distract from the discussion, because Rush, nor Beck is the topic.
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I'm sure you are all for prostitutin (sic),...though the GOP again is showing their anti-freedom true colors by being against it./
Show me a Democrat which supports it.
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That's fantastic, though again, the GOP is against it with their anti-freedom stances.
No they arent, and you and the OP lying about positions, doesnt make you appear to know what the hell either one of you talking about.
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Win, the OP makes great points on how the GOP pretends to be pro-freedom, but in actuality, they are anything but.
On the contrary, the OP has showed they have the ability to lie, make things up, and not support their claims, and you, come along like a typical liberal and woo hoo hoo, high 5 them because you hate just as much as they do.
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:45 AM
 
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NO ONE is saying that someone else has to pay for your contraception, no one.
Great, so now you agree with the conservatives and think you should pay for it yourself?
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What was mandated is that the coverage you already have, cover contraception.
meaning, someone else pay for it, you just contradicted yourself
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Not that it be covered for free. United Health Care, or whomever your insurance provider is, is free to raise their rates to make up the extra costs.
You mean, making someone else pay for your contraceptin? You just contradicted yourself again
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Actually most health insurance providers already provide for free contraception, because its a hell of a lot cheaper then paying for birthing and babies.
Then why do we need to mandate they do something which makes sense, and by your own admission, they almost all do already?
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But all the stink was, is that the Catholic church didn't want to provide their employees with the option, and they are mandated to do so now. That was it. Not that the tax payers, not that padchaser, not that alphamale, not that Memphis1979 pay for their contraception.
You clearly have no idea how it works, do you? Since government insures a very large percentage of the population, taxpayers, and yes, even Memphis1979 IS paying for their contraception, but who the hell do you think you are to tell them what care they MUST provide for their employees? Thats right, liberals have no problem taking away peoples choices, do they?
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