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Old 05-20-2012, 03:27 PM
 
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Excuse me? When did I say a damn thing about denying his right to say what he feels about religion. I'm the most fervent defender of the 1st Amendment you'll ever meet.

And his faith is irrational. Faith IS irrational - it's belief without reason.

And just to illustrate, here would be an equivalent bigoted statement from me (please note I don't believe what I'm about to say).

My homosexually influenced atheistic beliefs teach me that Christianity is a sinful lifestyle on par with thieving, lying, cheating, and murdering. Therefore, Christians should not be allowed to marry. Don't get me wrong, I'm not condemning Christian marriage because I hate Christians, I'm condemning it because those who embrace it will never enter the kingdom of human enlightenment.
How does that make you a bigot?
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:27 PM
 
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And his faith is irrational. Faith IS irrational - it's belief without reason.
"Faith is the evidence of things not seen, the conviction of things hoped for"
- Hebrews 11:1

(Harrier has posted his Bible verse for the week - no more for awhile. Enjoy!)
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:29 PM
 
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You are comparing an inborn trait(race) with a personal choice(sexual preference). How is it analogous?
Where in the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause does it distinguish between inborn trait and sexual preference choice? Religion is undeniably a personal choice. Are you saying that the 14th Amendment would allow for laws to discriminate on the basis of one's religious affiliation?

And stop being daft. Sexual orientation is an inherent, immutable human characteristic in which choice plays no role whatsoever.
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:30 PM
 
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"Faith is the evidence of things not seen, the conviction of things hoped for"
- Hebrews 11:1

(Harrier has posted his Bible verse for the week - no more for awhile. Enjoy!)
Exactly what I said. Believing without reason.
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:31 PM
 
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And stop being daft. Sexual orientation is an inherent, immutable human characteristic in which choice plays no role whatsoever.
This is still under debate.
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:32 PM
 
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Exactly what I said. Believing without reason.
No you forgot the words "evidence" and "conviction" in that verse - it is believing without seeing - not without reason.
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:32 PM
 
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How does that make you a bigot?
Because I would be advocating for the intolerant treatment of an entire group of people (in this case the denial of equal civil rights and equal treatment under the law for Christians) based on my personal prejudices (an irrational belief that Christians are sinners on par with murderers). How much more bigoted can you get?
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:35 PM
 
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Are you saying that the 14th Amendment would allow for laws to discriminate on the basis of one's religious affiliation?
Of course. If there was a religious sect that believed in human sacrifice and wanted to practice it - I would have absolutely no problem with telling them that they had no protection under the 14th Amendment.
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:36 PM
 
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Because I would be advocating for the intolerant treatment of an entire group of people (in this case the denial of equal civil rights and equal treatment under the law for Christians) based on my personal prejudices (an irrational belief that Christians are sinners on par with murderers). How much more bigoted can you get?
All Christians are sinners on par with murderers.

It is only through the blood of Jesus Christ that we are redeemed and our confession of him that we are forgiven.
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:39 PM
 
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This is still under debate.
No, it's not.
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