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Old 05-25-2012, 11:43 AM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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Just wondering how people felt: Is it permissible to lie if it helps your candidate get elected? Is there an "ends justify the means" argument? If it's not okay to lie, is it okay to be selectively ignorant?
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Old 05-25-2012, 11:47 AM
 
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If getting your candidate in office is the end goal, then many will say yes.

If making your community, state, and country the best it can be - is the end goal, then you need to examine things to see why candidate X needs lies to win an election. And if candidate X wins, how much will he/she lie to the public they serve...

The truth is always the best - even when its ugly.
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Old 05-25-2012, 11:53 AM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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If getting your candidate in office is the end goal, then many will say yes.

If making your community, state, and country the best it can be - is the end goal, then you need to examine things to see why candidate X needs lies to win an election. And if candidate X wins, how much will he/she lie to the public they serve...

The truth is always the best - even when its ugly.
Love it.
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Old 05-25-2012, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Since all politicians lie to get elected then it is probably ok to lie to get them elected.
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Old 05-25-2012, 12:02 PM
 
Location: the Beaver State
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Just wondering how people felt: Is it permissible to lie if it helps your candidate get elected? Is there an "ends justify the means" argument? If it's not okay to lie, is it okay to be selectively ignorant?
Absolutely not, under any circumstances. Unfortunately, this, more then any other reason is why we're so screwed up these days. Candidates lie, flip flop, and stretch the truth (or omit it totally,) to fit their goals, cut up and dissected to fit average attention span of the average American.
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Old 05-25-2012, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Absolutely not, under any circumstances. Unfortunately, this, more then any other reason is why we're so screwed up these days. Candidates lie, flip flop, and stretch the truth (or omit it totally,) to fit their goals, cut up and dissected to fit average attention span of the average American.

Why single out just the candidates? How many emails do you get that don't check out with snopes or truthorfiction which people pass along without question? I get hundreds. Worse, when I send back the truth, far too many people don't care and will just keep on forwarding them KNOWING they're lies.

And it is 99.9% Obamaphobes who do that. Some of my best friends who are RWNJ's and Christian's to boot have told me flat out that they will continue forwarding that stuff regardless because Obama is so "dangerous." Whether they think about it or not, that lands them squarely in the "ends justifies the means" crowd.
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Old 05-25-2012, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Just wondering how people felt: Is it permissible to lie if it helps your candidate get elected? Is there an "ends justify the means" argument? If it's not okay to lie, is it okay to be selectively ignorant?
No, No, and No
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Old 05-25-2012, 12:33 PM
 
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Lying is fine as long as 1) I benefit from said lie 2) I am telling the lie or 3) the lie is not detrimental to me.

Otherwise lying is terrible.
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Old 05-25-2012, 01:23 PM
 
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Just wondering how people felt: Is it permissible to lie if it helps your candidate get elected? Is there an "ends justify the means" argument? If it's not okay to lie, is it okay to be selectively ignorant?
When it comes to Progressives "the end justify the means" is standard operating procedure.

Is it right? No.

One more reason to vote for Ron Paul.
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Old 05-25-2012, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I think lying, or purposely misleading people about a candidate is silly. Its a political ploy that has little to do but excite the base.

All these elections have turned out to be is which candidate can fool the majority of about 20% of the people in the country that the other guy is so bad, that you have to vote for me.
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