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Old 06-03-2012, 12:36 AM
 
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So you think Catholics are not Christians? Why in the world do you think that?
The Catholic Church is a Christian organisation (nominally anyway).

But are Catholics themselves Christians? Nope. A tiny few are...and that's probably an exaggeration.

But that's not just Catholics, that's so-called Christians regardless of denomination.

 
Old 06-03-2012, 12:46 AM
 
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The Catholic Church is a Christian organisation (nominally anyway).

But are Catholics themselves Christians? Nope. A tiny few are...and that's probably an exaggeration.

But that's not just Catholics, that's so-called Christians regardless of denomination.
A Christian, for religious purposes, is someone who is validly baptized and who can recite the Creed without mental reservations.

Spiritually, there will always be tares among the wheat.
 
Old 06-03-2012, 12:59 AM
 
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That is not true. It has been stated time and again that the Church CAN do adoptions but will not get State funds to do it.
That's like saying that I, Charles45, CAN do adoptions but will not get State funds to do it.

I CAN do adoptions legally; I CANNOT do adoptions practically without exorbitantly charging adoptive parents and becoming a business rather than a charity.
 
Old 06-03-2012, 01:02 AM
 
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A Church does not have the right to push it's beliefs on everyone.
The Church was not pushing its beliefs on anyone. It was providing services to anyone in need, regardless of faith or creed.

NOT providing certain immoral "services", which can after all be obtained elsewhere, does not = "pushing its beliefs on everyone".
 
Old 06-03-2012, 01:08 AM
 
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A Christian, for religious purposes, is someone who is validly baptized and who can recite the Creed without mental reservations.

Spiritually, there will always be tares among the wheat.
That's generous. My definition is far narrower than that.

A Christian is someone that actually LIVES the faith, and isn't just baptized into it. Hell, i was baptized. Doesn't make me a Christian.

And to be honest, i'm not impressed with the behavior of the majority of Christians, which is partly why i'm not one anymore. It's a faith that is rife with hypocrisy...and i just can't stand to play along with it.
 
Old 06-03-2012, 01:15 AM
 
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Among the typical Christian religions, Catholicism goes to extremes in their rituals and teachings. I never heard of anyone being anti-Catholic or anti-Jew in the Pittsburgh area. Judge yee lest thy be judged or something.
 
Old 06-03-2012, 01:15 AM
 
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That's generous. My definition is far narrower than that.

A Christian is someone that actually LIVES the faith, and isn't just baptized into it. Hell, i was baptized. Doesn't make me a Christian.

And to be honest, i'm not impressed with the behavior of the majority of Christians, which is partly why i'm not one anymore. It's a faith that is rife with hypocrisy...and i just can't stand to play along with it.
I once knew a priest who told me that whenever someone said he wouldn't join the Church because "there are too many hypocrites", Father would reply "there's always room for one more".

It isn't as though Christians either live their faith or they don't. The Christian life is analog, not digital or binary. Most who do live their faith, live it very imperfectly. The Church gives us canonized saints to show us what perfection looks like. That's what we're striving for. Meanwhile, we fall, repent, and get up again ... a long process for most of us.
 
Old 06-03-2012, 01:19 AM
 
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Among the typical Christian religions, Catholicism goes to extremes in their rituals and teachings. I never heard of anyone being anti-Catholic or anti-Jew in the Pittsburgh area. Judge yee lest thy be judged or something.
I love Pittsburgh. It's old school.

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Old 06-03-2012, 01:32 AM
 
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A Church does not have the right to push it's beliefs on everyone.
You are correct.

A church, however, does have the right to withdraw charity if it feels that it is in their best interest.
 
Old 06-03-2012, 01:42 AM
 
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You are correct.

A church, however, does have the right to withdraw charity if it feels that it is in their best interest.
Ok? So? What is the problem again? Are you still not getting it? The Catholic Church can discriminate against gays and adopt...it just can not get state funds to do it with. The Catholic Church can hold true to its morals of no abortion but it will not get federal government contracts for human trafficking. So stop the whining.
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