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Old 06-08-2012, 12:53 AM
 
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Top Obama EPA Official: Obama Coal Regs Will Be "Painful Every Step of the Way" - YouTube

West Va, Pennsylvania - remember who is responsible come 5 months from now.

Obama is for America - yeah right.
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Old 06-08-2012, 03:51 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Top Obama EPA Official: Obama Coal Regs Will Be "Painful Every Step of the Way" - YouTube

West Va, Pennsylvania - remember who is responsible come 5 months from now.

Obama is for America - yeah right.

Yes, do remember who's responsible. Environmental standards are set by Congress. All the EPA does is enforce their will. It wouldn't matter who is in the White House, the standards would still be enforced.

But...you do know that....don't you?
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:18 AM
 
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Environmental standards are set by Congress.
The Clean air Act amendment the EPA is using to justify there regulation of CO2 is from 1990 and never intended to be used to regulate CO2.

Here's Pelosi's opinion when the Democrats were in power.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-...ne-by-congress

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Wednesday that Congress, not the Obama administration, needs to address global warming.
Asked if she wants the Obama administration to address climate change through regulations if Congress fails to pass a bill this year, Pelosi responded, "It has to be done by statute."


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Old 06-08-2012, 05:22 AM
 
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The Clean air Act amendment the EPA is using to justify there regulation of CO2 is from 1990 and never intended to be used to regulate CO2.
Prove it.
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:25 AM
 
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Prove it.
Prove what? That it was never intended to regulate CO2?
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:29 AM
 
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Prove what? That it was never intended to regulate CO2?

Yes. That's the gist of your argument.
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Old 06-08-2012, 06:00 AM
 
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Yes. That's the gist of your argument.
Well for starters considering CO2 was not a concern in 1990 do you think those voting for this legislation envisioned it being used to regulate CO2. The only reason they were able to accomplish this is because the definition is broad and didn't specifically exclude greenhouse gases.

Do you think broad legislation passed in 1990 used to regulate phone companies applies to the internet? While some may apply it isn't all going to apply.

The EPA themselves determined they didn't have the authority to enforce greenhouse emissions, the court case was brought by some states and environmental groups. The decision was split on whether the life giving gas CO2 is a pollutant, under these definitions you could argue anything was a pollutant.

Why is it the Democrats were going to strip them of this power in the energy bill?

Why is it we have Nancy Pelosi saying "It has to be done by statute?"
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Old 06-08-2012, 07:18 AM
 
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Why is it we have Nancy Pelosi saying "It has to be done by statute?"
Of course it has to be done by statute. You do understand the law, don't you? Nobody, not even a government agency, is above the law.

In the case of the EPA and CO-2? Yes, there is some question whether or not Congress intended to regulate that and the EPA has repeatedly asked Congress for clarification. So far, they have refused to do so, leaving the EPA between the proverbial rock and hard place. They cannot simply refuse to enforce the will of Congress (there's that pesky law thing again), so in the absence of clarity from Congress, they've had no alternative but to interpret the law as they think it should be interpreted, leaving the courts to decide whether they are right or wrong.

What else can they do?
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