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Old 06-13-2012, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville FL
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sorry, something called the Constutiton standing in your way.
I will homeschool my daughter with or without the states permission.

The Constitution doesn't protect the right to home school your child. What clause do you refer to? Certainly not the first Ammendment.

It only gives you the right to force feed them whatever religious belief you want, until they are old enough to think for themselves, and make their own decisions.

But religious freedom doesn't mean that we can't teach actual facts to children. If we were taking them to school to teach them that you're a crazy religious nutjob, who didn't have a clue what you were talking about, then you might have a point. But that's not the case. Schools teach facts.

Churches and parents, teach beliefs, faith, and religion. Two different things.

All children should be taught actual facts 30 hours a week, from actual trained and educated professionals.
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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The Constitution doesn't protect the right to home school your child. What clause do you refer to? Certainly not the first Ammendment.

It only gives you the right to force feed them whatever religious belief you want, until they are old enough to think for themselves, and make their own decisions.

But religious freedom doesn't mean that we can't teach actual facts to children. If we were taking them to school to teach them that you're a crazy religious nutjob, who didn't have a clue what you were talking about, then you might have a point. But that's not the case. Schools teach facts.

Churches and parents, teach beliefs, faith, and religion. Two different things.

All children should be taught actual facts 30 hours a week, from actual trained and educated professionals.
Lol, we have seen how well that has worked out!
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:22 PM
 
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I completely agree. All children should have to go to the same public schools. That way, everyone is in it togeter, and hopefully everyone would better value education. You know, "one for all, and all for one."

Unfortunately, that isn't the law in the USA, and I don't think it's ever going to change, particularly with our over abundance of church based schools. There's too much money to be made.

So, given the choice of reaching deep, and paying for the private school, or sending my children to the public schools just to make a point, my choice is pretty obvious. Trust me, if the public schools in my area were anywhere near as good as the private schools, I would gladly take advantage of them, and save the money.
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I beleive it's the flight of students from the more affluent families to private schools, and the development of magnet schools that further skim off the best students from public schools, that are the root of the problem.

And yes, if ALL students had to go to the same public schools, you can bet that the schools in the Bronx would be just as good as any schools in Northern Virginia. Considering all of the money in New York, they might even be better.
Wouldn't that make you part of the problem?
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville FL
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You can believe what you like, however whites who live in affluent towns are not fleeing their schools.

Existing evidence proves you wrong. Public schools in affluent areas of Manhattan are, in general, better than those in poor neighborhoods.

I'd like to see the proof.

It's got little to do with wealth, and a lot to do with environment.

If you were to flip the situation, then you'd see an immediate fall in the performance of the former affluent students, that were suddenly attending the poor schools. And vise versa for the poor students.

All kids deserve the same teaching environment.
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville FL
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Lol, we have seen how well that has worked out!

It's worked out great.

We didn't get to be the greatest Nation in the history of the World in spite of a poor education sysytem.
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville FL
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Wouldn't that make you part of the problem?

Yes, exactly. I've already said back in one of my first posts that I admit that my responsibility to give my children the very best environment and best education is far paramount to my responsibility to prove a point to the right wingnuts.

But, I still recognize that we have a problem, and we need to address it, for the long term benefit of this Country.

The problem is that the majority of parents and students that have opted out of the 'regular' sysytem in favor of private, magnet, or Charter schools will never look back.

They don't care in the least about how to fix the problem, because they're not a part of the system anymore.

That's why pushing everyone back into the same common system would be the only way to fix things. We all have to have a common goal, and common benefits, or it's going to continue to be every family for them selves.

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Old 06-13-2012, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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It's worked out great.

We didn't get to be the greatest Nation in the history of the World in spite of a poor education sysytem.
Actually we have. Our world ranking is scandalous.

Educational Score Performance - Country Rankings

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_793185.html
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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I'd like to see the proof.

It's got little to do with wealth, and a lot to do with environment.

If you were to flip the situation, then you'd see an immediate fall in the performance of the former affluent students, that were suddenly attending the poor schools. And vise versa for the poor students.

All kids deserve the same teaching environment.
If you would like proof, go to great schools.com, plug in a wealthly zip code, look at the test scores, then do the same with a poorer zip code.
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:39 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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The Constitution doesn't protect the right to home school your child. What clause do you refer to? Certainly not the first Ammendment.

It only gives you the right to force feed them whatever religious belief you want, until they are old enough to think for themselves, and make their own decisions.

But religious freedom doesn't mean that we can't teach actual facts to children. If we were taking them to school to teach them that you're a crazy religious nutjob, who didn't have a clue what you were talking about, then you might have a point. But that's not the case. Schools teach facts.

Churches and parents, teach beliefs, faith, and religion. Two different things.

All children should be taught actual facts 30 hours a week, from actual trained and educated professionals.

try the 10th Amendment. the states allow its citizens to homeschool their children, something that falls outside if the central goverments ability. also if you read the Constitution, the 10th Amendment also includes the people in its reading, and the Constitution has always put the people before the state or the federal goverment. so since education is not included in what the federal goverment can do, it is left to the people 1st, the state 2nd and the federal goverment last.

also, i dont force feed my daughter anything to do with religion. dont equate homeschooling with religion, because you will be wrong.

also, schools do not always teachs facts. they teach facts according to what the federal goverment says are the facts. that is not facts.
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville FL
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Which further proves my point.

We were doing fine until we allowed the public schools to be gutted.

No more private, magnet, Charter or home schools.

Check out Finlands ranking on your own propaganda. Are you aware of how they run their sysytem? It's pretty much exactly what I'm advocating.
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