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Old 07-11-2012, 06:50 AM
 
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soap box, ballot box and cartridge box.

we have used 2 of these with little to no effect on the federal goverment, only one box left.
So every time someone is unhappy with a democratically elected government, they should take up arms against it? Why can't you just accept your defeat at the polls and move on? The overwhelming majority of Americans DO NOT support the Tea Party's anti-American calls for subversion against the government. Why should the minority impose its will on the majority?
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Old 07-11-2012, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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The Civil War was not fought over slavery it was fought over the taxes(tarifs) leaved against the south by the union to keep the south from selling their products to foreign countries. Many of those who fought for the south were slaves themselves, black, white, native, oriental, pretty much all walks of life. The union also sought to create rifts between the races which we still suffer from today. And if you want to question my veiw of the history of the south good luck because I learned my history from 2 historians as well as letters from the front lines.
Read the Confederate Constitution, Slavery is addressed over a dozen times
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Old 07-11-2012, 06:54 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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So every time someone is unhappy with a democratically elected government, they should take up arms against it? Why can't you just accept your defeat at the polls and move on? The overwhelming majority of Americans DO NOT support the Tea Party's anti-American calls for subversion against the government. Why should the minority impose its will on the majority?


who said we were a democratically elected country? please remember we are not a democracy, but a republic, democracies have always failed.

yeah i know most of the country does not support the tea party, but also remember that most of the country did not support acorn or move.org, and that sure as hell did not stop them.


also, the democrats are really good at imposing the minorities will against the majority, otherwise the UHC would never have passed, as the majority of the country did not want obamacare, they wanted health care reform.
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Old 07-11-2012, 07:32 AM
 
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how do you figure secessionists is traitorous? I dont ever remember seeing any scotus ruling saying secessions was unconstitutional. oh darn thats right, no scotus has ever ruled that yet. only the military way has ever said it was illegal, not the lawful way.
Yes it has

Texas v. White - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 07-11-2012, 07:34 AM
 
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who said we were a democratically elected country? please remember we are not a democracy, but a republic, democracies have always failed.

yeah i know most of the country does not support the tea party, but also remember that most of the country did not support acorn or move.org, and that sure as hell did not stop them.


also, the democrats are really good at imposing the minorities will against the majority, otherwise the UHC would never have passed, as the majority of the country did not want obamacare, they wanted health care reform.
The United States is a Democratic Republic which practices Representative Democracy.
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Old 07-11-2012, 07:37 AM
 
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A state can secede if it wants to.
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Old 07-11-2012, 07:39 AM
 
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The United States is a Democratic Republic which practices Representative Democracy.

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The United States is, indeed, a republic, not a democracy. Accurately defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings or by voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the other hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in turn, make policy decisions on their behalf. The Framers of the Constitution were altogether fearful of pure democracy. Everything they read and studied taught them that pure democracies "have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths" (Federalist No. 10).

ThisNation.com--Is the United States a democracy?


we are a republic, never meant to be a democracy.
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Old 07-11-2012, 07:45 AM
 
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A state can secede if it wants to.
So says SourD but not the US Constitution.

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ThisNation.com--Is the United States a democracy?


we are a republic, never meant to be a democracy.
Then why do we have democratic elections if we are not a democracy?
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Old 07-11-2012, 07:46 AM
 
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A state can secede if it wants to.
Supreme court has said otherwise.

You guys wanna try that stunt again? How did it turn out the first time???
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Old 07-11-2012, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I don't condone flying the confederate flag like that, in fact I think it was DUMB to do so in the parade but the flag is part of our HISTORY... its a flag.. it represents a lot more than just slavery...

If you are keenly observant you will see this flag flown in many places throughout the south.. it goes mostly unnoticed. Perhaps that is why I am so immune to the outrage over the flag...
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