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BUT, while rapes have declined it is clearly evident that violence against women has risen and will continue to. Violence against women by men (and violence against men by women) has always existed. But I think a lot of particularly younger men feel threatened or plain plssed nowdays and as such, are much less likely to defer to women as the "fairer sex" and deserving of chivalrous treatment, deference or as being generally off limits to violence. I noticed nowdays, not only is it common for men to hit women back, but if male onlookers see that male retaliate with violence toward his aggressor, they rarely intervene anymore. Its this sort of subtle, passive, unspoken toleration of OPEN and public violence toward women that is unfamiliar to me at least. In decades prior, many times, men would publicly intervene on the behalf of a woman (even when I was growing up), if for no other reason because he wanted her affections, or wanted her and others to think favorably of him. But yeah, I do think that general violence against women will continue to rise.
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my point wasnt even to say that it merely "exists" in the suburbs, as if to minimalize its prevalence there. Rather, domestic violence which is the most common form of violence between men and women, is EVERY BIT as common in suburbia, and has nothing to do with what neighborhood I or anyone else "grew up" in, trashy or otherwise. And for anyone to deflect that reality in efforts to project onto and preserve some clean and pure fantasy image that suburbia holds is disingenuous, particularly even the people who research these trends for a living state that their experience doesnt support that image.
You have provided zero evidence that DV is on the incline and zero evidence that it's on the incline because these pissed off young men you speak of are...pissed off. The argument is out in left field. To start, violence against women (rape or any other form) can be DV, but a good share of it is just violence. Second, young men are violent with other young men to such an exponential extent that it mushes your assertion like a soft pea. Finally, the vast majority of these violent people are not the affluent living in the burbs. As if that needs to be said. Just the fact that you attempted to piggy back your position on the mass rape crazy killed it before you got out of the gate.
You are asserting that many are aware of it yet turn a blind eye, but the problem is as important and reaches the heights as the inner cities?
I never said it was as bad as the inner city. I just said it was not as squeaky clean as many people made it out to be. Plus my mother knows many women who were married to men who were abusers, but since these men provided middle class lifestyles for them and their children it was much harder for them to report it. Not only that, but the shame they have to face from family, friends and neighbors as well.
I wouldn't be surprised if DV is on the rise. Shoot, people idolize woman-beaters like that piece of **** Chris Brown and attack those who call folks out on their bad behavior. Here's a good remark from someone on Fox News that makes fun of the sad state of affairs
"The long-suffering girlfriends of X-Box addicts may welcome claims from a U.S. psychologist that men who spend too much time playing video games could be doing themselves more harm than they think.
Stanford University's Professor Philip Zimbardo argues that the over-use of video games and online porn is creating a 'generation of male misfits', with young men developing 'arousal addictions' that leave them unable to function normally in the real world or develop healthy relationships."
'The excessive use of video games and online porn in pursuit of the next thing is creating a generation of risk-averse guys who are unable (and unwilling) to navigate the complexities and risks inherent to real-life relationships, school and employment,' he told CNN.
Here's a brief synopsis of the book by the author. Some interesting stats at the beginning of his talk about girls outperforming boys at every educational level. (For an academic, he's also somewhat funny.) Philip Zimbardo: The demise of guys? | Video on TED.com
That's nothing. What about 15th century Europe, when it was manly to wear tights, a frilly collar and prance about like a pansy?
But Humanity somehow survived and eventually became manlier than ever:
Before slowly descending into Emo-ism over the past century and a half.
By my calculations we've got a least a century before we hit rock-bottom and have to turn in our man-cards.
Very true. Well said. My intent wasnt to derail the thread with talk about violence in suburbs vs. ghetto violence. But it seems that the mere mention of it caused a very unnecessary backlash. What you stated is exactly why I was trying to make clear that: my point wasnt even to say that it merely "exists" in the suburbs, as if to minimalize its prevalence there. Rather, domestic violence which is the most common form of violence between men and women, is EVERY BIT as common in suburbia, and has nothing to do with what neighborhood I or anyone else "grew up" in, trashy or otherwise. And for anyone to deflect that reality in efforts to project onto and preserve some clean and pure fantasy image that suburbia holds is disingenuous, particularly even the people who research these trends for a living state that their experience doesnt support that image.
I understand you were not trying to hijack the thread, just making points. You do not owe me an explanation!
You have provided zero evidence that DV is on the incline and zero evidence that it's on the incline because these pissed off young men you speak of are...pissed off. The argument is out in left field. To start, violence against women (rape or any other form) can be DV, but a good share of it is just violence. Second, young men are violent with other young men to such an exponential extent that it mushes your assertion like a soft pea. Finally, the vast majority of these violent people are not the affluent living in the burbs. As if that needs to be said. Just the fact that you attempted to piggy back your position on the mass rape crazy killed it before you got out of the gate.
"MY" position on mass rape?...lol..I never even mentioned mass rape..he made some points that I agreed with so I quoted him..if you expect me to piggy back my position on some crazy who has flown off on a tangent about inner city vs. suburban crime stats instead, then you'll be waiting for a while..I provided a couple of links that stated that rape is on the decline... and I never said the majority of general violence occurs in the suburbs....you're reaching for new subject matter and you sound crazy...you're just talking just to hear yourself talk now. Putting words in my mouth trying to force some nonexistent argument that you never had any basis for, while derailing the thread into talk about suburban vs. urban crime stats..lol
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Anecdotally, a friend's 16 year old son would rather play video games than go meet people. He is terrified of the outside world because he does not understand the rules.
the eradication of the ( as tony soprano often called it ) gary cooper type male is a top priority of the pc liberal agenda , i dont know if male suicide is a big issue in the usa but is a huge one over here , im convinced that the feminisation of society and the constant demonisation of traditional male charechterisitcs by academia is a major factor , young men have an identity crisis
the eradication of the ( as tony soprano often called it ) gary cooper type male is a top priority of the pc liberal agenda , i dont know if male suicide is a big issue in the usa but is a huge one over here , im convinced that the feminisation of society and the constant demonisation of traditional male charechterisitcs by academia is a major factor , young men have an identity crisis
Its not really particular to any specific male demographic over there...old men are pulling up near even with young and even middle aged men in suicide rates. Men in general in your area of the world are just opting out of life..
Its not really particular to any specific male demographic over there...old men are pulling up near even with young and even middle aged men in suicide rates. Men in general in your area of the world are just opting out of life..
you are most definatley incorrect , suicide rates among the 15 - 35 yr bracket are way higher than amongst the over fifties demographic
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