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Old 01-06-2013, 03:56 PM
 
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That's Detroit, not New Orleans.
Meh you're right, ny.
still, my point stands..urban decay is worse in the east than it is in the west.
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Old 01-06-2013, 03:59 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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Meh you're right, ny.
still, my point stands..urban decay is worse in the east than it is in the west.
The west for the most part did not suffer population decline. Many of the east/midwest cities were established before America began to suburbanize. They lost population to their suburbs and the buildings weren't taken care of, and crumbled back to mother nature.

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Old 01-06-2013, 04:09 PM
 
Location: NJ
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This is true, especially if you get away from government programs.
LOL! Uncompensated care is reimbursed via government programs. W/O that, hospitals would go broke.
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Old 01-06-2013, 04:22 PM
 
Location: North East
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Having spent some time earlier this year travelling the West Coast of America I have to say I was bewildered and distraught by some of the eerie towns I went through and the long lost outposts steeped in poverty and decrepitation that would make even the worst slums in Ireland seem like Malibu beachfront apartments by comparison.

Speaking of which, Mailbu looks great on telly but in reality? Sanitation is putrid and it is not even in the same league as Bournemouth in England which is so fresh, full of vitality, clean and so immersed in historical arbhitecture, ports, sandbanks and forests.

San Francisco I love, a very quintessentially American city but away from there I travelled through Sonora and little places whose names I can't even remember except that everywhere shuts at 8pm and the bars are spit and sawdust deathpits. Travelled through one outpost where instead of wine I was served moonshine in jam jars and came across nothing but hicks and tralier trash yokels who were caked out on meth or moonshine and who thought I was an alien from another planet even though they had never even been to the nearest town.

Many told me how their healthcare was non-existant. Alot of hard working people who lost their houses and once considered themselves "part of the blue collar middle-class" or whatever were now on the scrap heap.

Much as I like America and am always blown away by the sheer intensity and tenacity of what makes America a great country I also am disheartened by the contrast and the empty vessels masquerading as people that seem to be part of an Amerca neglected. As many of these people are even unaware of what is happening in San Francisco are there many middle-upper-class Americans who are blissfully ignorant of the poverty and degredation that sits precariously perched on a rocking chair in their own back porch.

What worries me though is that since Thatcher entered Downing Street in the early 80's we've mimicked American style policies with frequent turbulence and instability an inevitable result. Really hope the UK never ends up like America and pursues the kind of policies that have made America a nation of corporate investors that doesn't really know or care what to do with the people that time forgot who are left behind.

Good luck! You're going to need it! May the force be with you!
Maybe you should write a check and start fixing this?

Look, nobody is entitled to anything in America. Entitlements is the same as compsumtion without production. Let's see, what would happen if the majority consumes and does not produce?

Kicking out these sad stories is coniving and dubious, no care for humanity. Get your butts working, produce more so that we can ALL consume more.

Tell me this first, than give me the sobber stories.
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Old 01-06-2013, 04:40 PM
 
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Maybe you should write a check and start fixing this?

Look, nobody is entitled to anything in America. Entitlements is the same as compsumtion without production. Let's see, what would happen if the majority consumes and does not produce?

Kicking out these sad stories is coniving and dubious, no care for humanity. Get your butts working, produce more so that we can ALL consume more.

Tell me this first, than give me the sobber stories.

Well let's see, public schooling as a result of taxes paid is an entitlement and it is provided through taxes garnered from PRODUCERS.

When the majority are taking rather than putting in or contributing then you have the modern military don't you? I mean they sit on their azzes getting paid without producing anything. They're not a defense machine but rather a machine that gets started up whenever the military complex needs another budget infusion. they in essence are the purist form of non-producer living off of the public tit but YOU LOVE 'EM er, don't you?
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Old 01-06-2013, 05:47 PM
 
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I like San Francisco too, but last time I was there we were approached by bums on several occasions. One morning my friend even had vomit on the sidewalk outside her front door, it was so gross. Anywho, I'd say you lucked out OP, you can find bad everywhere.
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Old 01-06-2013, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Drugs and the acceptance of them have taken many people into poverty. And now they want to advance the pothead. I guess they want to kill them off as cigarettes give ones cancer and smoking pot and cigs advances cancer to a greater degree.
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Old 01-06-2013, 06:05 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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The United States has more wealth than any other country in the world, by some considerable margin, but that wealth has become heavily centralized and is distributed inefficiently by unregulated free market crony capatalism and a completely inefficient tax structure.

America's infrastructure is crumbling, it's schools are failing, and we are not investing in research & development or renewable energy, transport or start ups because we are running a huge deficit - why? Because we are locked in a permanent delinquent argument about taxes, job creators, socialism and entitlements. Healthcare consumes $2.3tn of our GDP and we squabble about not wanting the government to get involved: this whilst other developed nations run better systems at half the cost! We spend more than the rest of the world combined on the military but yet can't find any money to fix crumbling bridges and roads or update our grids. If we actually switched to an efficient healthcare system we could run a surplus. Imagine raising taxes a little on everyone, then trimming our rediculously bloated military, ending the wars and responsibly trimming non-growth related government programs.

We could easily pay down our debt and find much needed investments in the areas mentioned above. How is this possible? Because we have the wealth, we just like watching it sit in the hands of few rather than used for the things we actually need in our society.

Here it comes...
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Old 01-06-2013, 06:08 PM
 
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Drugs and the acceptance of them have taken many people into poverty. And now they want to advance the pothead. I guess they want to kill them off as cigarettes give ones cancer and smoking pot and cigs advances cancer to a greater degree.
if you're smoking weed, why would you smoke cigs?

plus weed is like two puffs and you're out...

cigs, you can be smoking them all day long and still feel nothing.

not to mention, you don't have to smoke weed. you can eat it as well and get the effects.

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Old 01-06-2013, 06:21 PM
 
Location: North East
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Well let's see, public schooling as a result of taxes paid is an entitlement and it is provided through taxes garnered from PRODUCERS.

When the majority are taking rather than putting in or contributing then you have the modern military don't you? I mean they sit on their azzes getting paid without producing anything. They're not a defense machine but rather a machine that gets started up whenever the military complex needs another budget infusion. they in essence are the purist form of non-producer living off of the public tit but YOU LOVE 'EM er, don't you?
Schooling is not an entitlement, us tax payers agreed to the schooling and pay via taxes. You are playing around with words. And by the way, i'm not saying people should not be helped.

You want to help people, simply ask you local, state and federal government to raise your taxes. That's an agreement in a constitutional republic.

When the gov deficit spends to keep unions getting higher wages, and giving other handouts it's theft via inflation. For 40 years we've had no tax increases, but we've gotten taxed to death with inflation. And yes, military, medical industry, education subsidies are all theft.

2 different things.
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