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Are there not plenty of choices? What is the issue. We are on a sinking ship and contraception is an issue worthy of discussion?
What the hell is wrong with people. You want contraception, then stop by the drug store on your way home and get some.... and shut the hell up already.
I think the issue for most women is less about no copay for contraception on their health insurance, and more about extremist evangelicals attempt to BAN things like the pill by pushing for personhood amendments in countless states around the country, and comparable attempts to require things like completely unnecessary and intrusive trans vaginal ultrasounds before you can have an abortion. Arizona defined life beginning at the day after the end of your last period--BEFORE fertilization can even occur. Seriously?
This isn't a liberal thing--it worries pretty much everyone (independents, moderate R's) except for radical right wing religious extremists. It wouldn't really be an issue at all if far right republican statehouses weren't pushing for stuff like this--it's become a national issue, largely because it's big, intrusive government at it's worst. Note that I'm not calling any of it conservative, because there's nothing conservative about this type of big government. It's radical.
No matter what the economy is like, if you start trying to interfere in the most personal decisions a woman can make, it's going to become a big issue.
I think the issue for most women is less about no copay for contraception on their health insurance, and more about extremist evangelicals attempt to BAN things like the pill by pushing for personhood amendments in countless states around the country, and comparable attempts to require things like completely unnecessary and intrusive trans vaginal ultrasounds before you can have an abortion. Arizona defined life at the moment of ovulation--before fertilization even occurs. Seriously?
This isn't a liberal thing--it worries pretty much everyone (independents, moderate R's) except for radical right wing religious extremists. It wouldn't really be an issue at all if far right republican statehouses weren't pushing for stuff like this--it's become a national issue, largely because it's big, intrusive government at it's worst. Note that I'm not calling any of it conservative, because there's nothing conservative about this type of big government. It's radical.
No matter what the economy is like, if you start trying to interfere in the most personal decisions a woman can make, it's going to become a big issue.
That is one of the deflections to the discussion of the economy that the Dems have developed to keep women's minds from what is most important. There others but this one is the one that I continually hear Obama talking about. He knows how many women there are in the country and how gullible many of them are.
No the Conservatives are trying to place limits on what we already have to deflect attention from the economy. Why should birth control be covered by health insurance. Why are we arguing about limiting access to the pill. This should be a non-issue, but the conservatives are trying to reduce rights.
Have to agree with this. It's a non-issue that some are attempting to make the centerpiece of the election. We have much more important conversations to have. The extreme fringe on either side shouldn't distract the rest of us from talking about the real issues.
How has this been made the centerpiece of the election? It's an issue that pops up, but it's one of many.
I think the issue for most women is less about no copay for contraception on their health insurance, and more about extremist evangelicals attempt to BAN things like the pill by pushing for personhood amendments in countless states around the country, and comparable attempts to require things like completely unnecessary and intrusive trans vaginal ultrasounds before you can have an abortion. Arizona defined life beginning at the day after the end of your last period--BEFORE fertilization can even occur. Seriously?
This isn't a liberal thing--it worries pretty much everyone (independents, moderate R's) except for radical right wing religious extremists. It wouldn't really be an issue at all if far right republican statehouses weren't pushing for stuff like this--it's become a national issue, largely because it's big, intrusive government at it's worst. Note that I'm not calling any of it conservative, because there's nothing conservative about this type of big government. It's radical.
No matter what the economy is like, if you start trying to interfere in the most personal decisions a woman can make, it's going to become a big issue.
That explains many women voters in a nutshell. They have no idea or just don't care about the bigger picture, just a single issue is enough to throw them off the trail. Again, you Lefties are so uninformed it's actually sad. Nobody is trying to BAN anything. There are objections to providing it free with tax payer money and forcing religious orgs to offer it. ANYONE can still go buy it for pretty much nothing.
No the Conservatives are trying to place limits on what we already have to deflect attention from the economy. Why should birth control be covered by health insurance. Why are we arguing about limiting access to the pill. This should be a non-issue, but the conservatives are trying to reduce rights.
Man you Lefties are just so uninformed it is truly sad that you call yourselves intellectuals. NOBODY is trying to limit access to ANYTHING! What is stopping anyone from buying it? It's NOT expensive!
Are there not plenty of choices? What is the issue. We are on a sinking ship and contraception is an issue worthy of discussion?
What the hell is wrong with people. You want contraception, then stop by the drug store on your way home and get some.... and shut the hell up already.
Oh but there are so many poor people that can't afford it. They don't live near any stores, have no car, have no money but want to have sex. The government HAS to help these people otherwise they'll be dead in the streets and the guilt will be on your shoulders. You want that ?
The poor bimbos and sluts like Fluke who can't afford $4/mo for bc pills are to be pitied. I say let's house them, feed them, and support their nasty little kids for the rest of their lives and for generations to come.
Oh, wait! We already are!!!
You clearly know nothing about the use of the pill. Do you realize many women go on the pill, not just for contraception, but to deal with other issues. Many women in my family suffer from severe periods. Without the pill, they have days of nausea, severe cramping and can't function in daily life without the pill. Before going on the pill, my middle school aged sister would have sick days for 3-4 a month during her cycle because she through up every 30 minutes for 3 days as a symptom of her period.
Other women have heavy periods that cause anemia. The pill is preventing other health issues. Using the bill doesn't mean you are a "****."
Man you Lefties are just so uninformed it is truly sad that you call yourselves intellectuals. NOBODY is trying to limit access to ANYTHING! What is stopping anyone from buying it? It's NOT expensive!
It is about fairness. If we are covering similar preventative care for men, we need to do the same for women.
And I can't support anyone who is claiming personhood begins before fertilization. These shouldn't be issues at all. We have more important things to worry about, but all of this stuff is a distraction tactic. Sadly, if we make the wrong choice, we are going to have crazy politicians swooping in limitations on abortion and personal choice. Instead of worrying about creating jobs and improving the economy.
Last edited by jade408; 08-10-2012 at 10:39 AM..
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