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Old 08-13-2012, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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This is an entitlement program that I definitely do not agree with, but people are just clueless that again want to place the blame on the poor and powerless. Programs like these are a result of our corporately owned government and function as a way for them to still make money off a society that continues to lose wealth.
JP Morgan doesn't mind the large increases in Food Stamp usage because they profit off all FS transactions across the country. These leeching companies all want a piece of the pie before it rots.

They have these ”free phone offers” outside every welfare office in Philly. Believe me, someone is making money off this.

 
Old 08-13-2012, 10:34 AM
 
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Oh, this thread again.

Fun fact: Every time you spend a buck on providing phone service to the underprivileged, you spend three on providing phone service to rural America. The "real Americans" in fly-over country take 3 times more out of the Universal Service Fund than the low-income programs do.

And nobody gives a hoot. Can someone explain to me why it's horrible to spend 1.3 billion on Low-income phone programs, but OK to spend $4 billion to ensure that East B*tt****, ND, has phone service?

Incidentally, it's much cheaper to provide cell phones than landlines in urban areas.
We shouldnt be providing phone service at all, especially via cell(service, connectivity, battery charging etc) since land line is more reliable and cheaper. Poor People that are getting cells, can just as easily get land lines as the infrastructure is already there.
 
Old 08-13-2012, 10:37 AM
 
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This is an entitlement program that I definitely do not agree with, but people are just clueless that again want to place the blame on the poor and powerless. Programs like these are a result of our corporately owned government and function as a way for them to still make money off a society that continues to lose wealth.

They have these ”free phone offers” outside every welfare office in Philly. Believe me, someone is making money off this.
I agree, and the poor are not as poor as some would like to believe.
They have housing, phones, cable, internet, ac/heating, food, electricity etc etc (FREE) or subsiidized so much that their income of Welfare, then earned income at the end of the year on taxes allows them to live pretty darn good, compared to the rest of the WORLDS POOR.
 
Old 08-13-2012, 10:39 AM
 
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We shouldnt be providing phone service at all, especially via cell(service, connectivity, battery charging etc) since land line is more reliable and cheaper.
Where the tower infrastructure is already in place, cell is much cheaper to provide and service.

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Poor People that are getting cells, can just as easily get land lines as the infrastructure is already there.
How many cell phones can you activate for the cost of 1 land-line service call? A 120 minute/month voice-only subscription puts so little load on the network, it's practically lost in the noise. Where there's already coverage, it's the only logical choice.
 
Old 08-13-2012, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Where the tower infrastructure is already in place, cell is much cheaper to provide and service.

How many cell phones can you activate for the cost of 1 land-line service call? A 120 minute/month voice-only subscription puts so little load on the network, it's practically lost in the noise. Where there's already coverage, it's the only logical choice.

The latest person I know that got one has voice & text......250 minutes per month with the ability to add another 250 for $5 a month.
This person is 100% disabled so sure isn't looking for a job.
 
Old 08-13-2012, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Where the tower infrastructure is already in place, cell is much cheaper to provide and service.

How many cell phones can you activate for the cost of 1 land-line service call? A 120 minute/month voice-only subscription puts so little load on the network, it's practically lost in the noise. Where there's already coverage, it's the only logical choice.
Well when you have 4 or 5 plans all paid for by the government, then it does add up.
 
Old 08-13-2012, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Central, IL
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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA View Post
Oh, this thread again.

Fun fact: Every time you spend a buck on providing phone service to the underprivileged, you spend three on providing phone service to rural America. The "real Americans" in fly-over country take 3 times more out of the Universal Service Fund than the low-income programs do.

And nobody gives a hoot. Can someone explain to me why it's horrible to spend 1.3 billion on Low-income phone programs, but OK to spend $4 billion to ensure that East B*tt****, ND, has phone service?

Incidentally, it's much cheaper to provide cell phones than landlines in urban areas.
While yes much of the USF goes for infrastructure in remote areas, the difference is these people still are paying for the service, therefore, the money is coming back into the program. Whereas, those receiving the low income phones are not paying back into the program.

And incidentally, it is not cheaper to provide cell phones than POTS lines, to claim any different is just asinine, and also goes to show that someone has no clue what they are talking about.
 
Old 08-13-2012, 11:10 AM
 
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Well when you have 4 or 5 plans all paid for by the government, then it does add up.
And that should be stopped. No disagreement there.

In fact, the administration of the USF could do with a bit of an audit.
 
Old 08-13-2012, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Central, IL
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Where the tower infrastructure is already in place, cell is much cheaper to provide and service.

How many cell phones can you activate for the cost of 1 land-line service call? A 120 minute/month voice-only subscription puts so little load on the network, it's practically lost in the noise. Where there's already coverage, it's the only logical choice.
cell is not cheaper to provide and service, I am not sure where you get these ideas, but this is not the case.
 
Old 08-13-2012, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And that should be stopped. No disagreement there.

In fact, the administration of the USF could do with a bit of an audit.
They did an audit and found near 300K duplicate plans that they stopped.
Now they are putting together a database to track who has lifeline plans.
But they cannot determine who has multiple plans and so they put a statement on their website for users with multiple plans to cancel all but one. They must outsource to several different companies if they can't tell who has multiple plans.

No database to track a government program ?

If it weren't for an investigative report that uncovered this they would be doing nothing.
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