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It should be a private school. U.S. taxpayers should not be supporting that kind of elitist-snob, exclusionary school.
Yes, because providing a school for students who are extremely intelligent and to help them challenge themselves with higher learning classes is exactly what we don't want to be doing.
I thought we were trying to improve our public schools and standards of learning, not hold our kids back?
ma at the end of 10th Grade, why didn't they simply enroll in the local community college or go straight to a 4 year university?
They did.
These students didn't go into the IB program, they took the classes just about every other student in my area took before going into the IB program, but never entered the program itself.
They went onto normal high school afterwards, and only required 2 years of normal high school before graduation (advanced diploma with honors and scholarships), and from there went onto college.
My entire point was that most IB students around here, if they honestly wanted to and decided against going into the IB program,could graduate high school in their sophmore year.
So I go to the grocery store and come back to read this? Oh my dear Lord and Savior, please save and help the U.S.A.. Since this poster is probably some sort of gay, atheist, UK anarchist - there's really no point interacting with this sort of socially aggressive and hostile behavior.
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I can't stomach reading beyond this post.
Is this what it boils down to?
You use gay and atheist, being from the UK as some kind of insult. Your position is clear. These are the rantings of a religious extremist nationalistic right wing "traditional" fanatic.
And you have the gall to accuse IB of having an agenda.
I've only used this maybe two times in my posting history - but seriously, .
I'll encourage parents all day long to get their kids into IB if its proponent's thinking is the antithesis of this rubbish.
Yes, because providing a school for students who are extremely intelligent and to help them challenge themselves with higher learning classes is exactly what we don't want to be doing.
I thought we were trying to improve our public schools and standards of learning, not hold our kids back?
How does that school help the general students, the average student, the football team, the students with special needs and learning disabilities? What right do you have to demand a bigger share of the socialist educational pie (school taxes collected) because you think you and your offspring are "so smart" that you should have your own school where you can isolate yourselves from the general population and indoctrinate with IB? How is that American?
You use gay and atheist, being from the UK as some kind of insult. Your position is clear. These are the rantings of a religious extremist nationalistic right wing "traditional" fanatic.
And you have the gall to accuse IB of having an agenda.
I've only used this maybe two times in my posting history - but seriously, .
I'll encourage parents all day long to get their kids into IB if its proponent's thinking is the antithesis of this rubbish.
How convenient for you to ignore transatlantic's comment which caused me to arrive at that characterization of his/her personality:
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Well, these people are Michelle (crazy woman) Bachmann acolytes, so for them "respect" would mean asking them to have respect for people who have not been indoctrinated as they have been, and as they are attempting to indoctrinate their own children, respect for people who are not religious fundamentalists, right-wingers, gunslingers, etc. That's a no-no. And "understanding" would mean showing understanding to people who have different views or religions or - Mon Dieu! no religion - which - as you have seen - drives them bananas.
No denial from transatlantic of any of those traits, in fact, being from the UK was confirmed and there was certainly no denial that anarchy is his/her preferred form of government. I really don't care if he or she is gay or transgender or had a sex transplant or whether he or she is Buddhist, atheist, Muslim or a Jew. Just phony outrage! So pathetic. Transatlantic showed total disrespect for Christians and traditional family values. I didn't call him or her "crazy"nor will I, and I haven't seen transatlantic's license to practice psychiatry, either. So it's a two edged sword, my friend. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.
Let me just add, your proclamation that your are going to encourage IB based on transatlantic's hateful opinion of tens of millions of Christian Americans, proves beyond a shadow of a doubt the inherent political indoctrination IB spews.
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How does that school help the general students, the average student,
It doesn't.
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the football team
Becuse that's where most smart kids are going to go.
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the students with special needs and learning disabilities?
Students with higher intelligence are a special need student, and this school takes care of their special need.
As for learning disabilities, all schools help with that. Many kids who went to this school had learning disabilities (ADHD, dyslexia, etc.) The school itself taught kids how to transform the disability to a strength. (ADHD kids are very good at multitasking.)
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What right do you have to demand a bigger share of the socialist educational pie (school taxes collected)
The same right any taxpayer has.
If people don't like it, then they can vote to have the school defunded.
Y'know what they did instead? Gave the school new facilities instead of the broken down school it was before (I'll have gallowsCallibrator tell the story about her bumpy gymnasium).
So, I think taxpayers around here are pretty okay with it, and the IB program in general.
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you can isolate yourselves from the general population and indoctrinate with IB? How is that American?
You think IB students isolate themselves from the general population.
That's cute.
No, they're not isolated. IB students go to a regular high school just like anyone else. Yes, this magnet school only takes the best of the best to get in (it requires rigorous testing at each level, and only half the students that start the magnet school stay in the magnet school by the end of the 8th grade), but again, they're not isolated. They're not snooty. They're not "elitist". Well, maybe a few are, but you get that in any program in any school period.
I was never a part of the IB program. I was an average student at best. I met my wife through my high school which was one of the few schools in the area that provides the IB program, and is also one of the top high schools in the nation. (which, you can't say that the IB program "pad our numbers", because it doesn't. We were also the magnet school for mentally disabled students, and had the largest program for such students of any school in the area.)
The IB program does not produce "elitist snobs", it produces intelligent students. ANd that's what we need more of. Bar none.
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As for "How is that American?"
It gives our students a better chance at succeeding in life.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber Practice of raising the bar? Anyone entering the IB system will have to deal with a raised bar.
"Finn_Jarber;25802351]Your claim about IB students not having to master math etc is false. Like I already mentioned, when we had kids come I from US high schools, they'd have to repeat year just to get to the same level with the IB students. That how much harder the IB program is."
You also said: "It's more difficult than what you are used to? It's not evil to raise the bar a little bit."
So, going by what you wrote and your own logic. Why would it have been necessary for any US students to REPEAT a year to get to the same level as IB students that you were with?
What about raising the proverbial bar?
Those students you speak about would just be enrolled here in the US, since it's all about open enrollment and everyone should be included no matter what their ability right? Hey Finn, Raise the bar! Finn, you can't have it both ways. You said so yourself that the IB programme is so much harder. You are now contradicting yourself, contradicting the message of the IB programme and of course the illogic behind it all.
How convenient for you to ignore transatlantic's comment which caused me to arrive at that characterization of his/her personality:
No denial from transatlantic of any of those traits, in fact, being from the UK was confirmed and there was certainly no denial that anarchy is his/her preferred form of government. I really don't care if he or she is gay or transgender or had a sex transplant or whether he or she is Buddhist, atheist, Muslim or a Jew. Just phony outrage! So pathetic.
Of course you care. You mentioned it didn't you?
If your Judeo Christian values are strong enough to withstand a bit of scrutiny by a bunch of high school kids, and your Lord and Savior of the USA is in support of the righteous amongst you, then I'm not quite sure what you have your underwear in such a bunch about.
But let me be perfectly clear about one thing, if you were trying to introduce any sort of rational discussion regarding legitimate failings of the IB system, you have failed miserably.
How about you teach your kids your values, and I teach mine mine, and let the best man win. Or preferably, actually, let the two reside in peace.
ObserverNY, I don't know if Mr. Finn ever answered your question regarding whether or not his IB school was public or
private, but I can definitely tell that he is avoiding replying to mine. I replied to his, and then the convo ended, no reply.
Considering all that he has claimed about IB, there should have been NO reason for those US students to have to
repeat anything. Raise the bar, after all he said that it isn't evil to raise the bar a little bit.
When it's convenient for their argument they whip out the talking point known as "raising the bar" or improving the standards of education for all children.
When it's to bolster their "rigorous and harder" programme argument, that's when they parade out stuff like US high schools students were not at the same level because it's so superior.
How does that school help the general students, the average student, the football team, the students with special needs and learning disabilities? What right do you have to demand a bigger share of the socialist educational pie (school taxes collected) because you think you and your offspring are "so smart" that you should have your own school where you can isolate yourselves from the general population and indoctrinate with IB? How is that American?
Ding, dang. This country indoctrinates every time a kid says the pledge to the flag. Thankfully, we are strong enough as a country that the U.S. Supreme Court has acknowledged a person's right to NOT say the pledge.
BTW: You were wrong pages and pages ago about all our elected officials all swearing on a Bible to uphold the Constitution. At least I think that was you. My eyes crossed a long time ago at some of your assertions and I've laughed til I've coughed a few times but I thought you would appreciate my clearing up these little tidbits of history because what was stated is wrong: Ready?
Franklin Pierce (our fourteenth President but I'm sure you knew that) AFFIRMED his oath on a law book. He did not swear on a Bible.
Teddy Roosevelt did not use a Bible in his first swearing in.
Rutherford B. Hayes did not use a Bible.
John Kennedy did not place his hand on the Bible. (It was resting on a podium. He stood with his right hand in the air and his left hand at his side.)
And Lyndon Johnson (you might want your heart pills for this one) was sworn in using a Catholic Missal. (That's a prayer book for you Protestants.)
President Obama DID use a Bible. One that belonged to Abraham Lincoln. I'd like to think Abe smiled down from Heaven and said, "Well done, my son. I'm glad I could lend it to you." BTW: Did you know that there is a large bust of Lincoln just outside the door to the Oval Office? It's quite touching to think the great Lincoln is just outside President Obama's door. Gosh, I love this country. Such a history we have! But, alas, I digress.
I'll sit back and wait for you to call me Dew like you're my best friend and ain't this all nice and homey while you make your next snide remark... Proceed... I'll pop back in to correct as needed. Unless something you post sends me into fits of laughter again. You're welcome.
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