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You just described above in bold the people you are trying to defend. They are the ones with a total lack of humanity, they are the ones that dont care for other people. Without these types of people plaguing the earth we would not even have to have this sort of conversation and it would a better, safer place for all.
So the guy who pee'd drunkenly on a building one night, now charged with 4th degree sexual assault, and on the RSO list for five years, doesn't care for humanity. The guy who readily advocates for the death of convicts, and entirely rejects and shuns ex-convicts, is a paragon of humanity?
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I always wondered the menality of a defense lawyer.
We're not talking about people who've commissioned a crime and are awaiting trial. We're talking about former convicts who have done their time in prison, paid their debts, and are being reintroduced into society.
Keep treating people like criminals, and that's exactly what you will get.
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Ever see the movie "Devils Advocate" ? Anyone agreeing with such nonsense in the thread is part of the problem. Again, anyone agreeing is just as bad as the guilty they defend and should be locked up next to their "buddies", then they can get a real feel for the type of person they are as they f*** you in the arse while holding you down. But they are nice decent floks who just want a normal life...so did the people they messed up.
So the guy who pee'd drunkenly on a building one night, now charged with 4th degree sexual assault, and on the RSO list for five years, doesn't care for humanity. The guy who readily advocates for the death of convicts, and entirely rejects and shuns ex-convicts, is a paragon of humanity?
We're not talking about people who've commissioned a crime and are awaiting trial. We're talking about former convicts who have done their time in prison, paid their debts, and are being reintroduced into society.
Keep treating people like criminals, and that's exactly what you will get.
For the thenth time I am not referring to those above in bold. People such as the upstanding citizens you describe are the reason we have so many problems today in society. Give them an inch they take a yard. I vote to not risk anyone else getting hurt and keep them behind bars. Reform..I agree with this maybe 5% of the time. Sexual assaults, molesters, etc, always have an appetite for that sort of behavior. Its like an alcoholic, once an alcoholic, alway one. Its very easy to start drinking again after being sober for so long. Its called a relapse. It doesnt matter how much you care for them they will do it again if they are so inclined. Ever watch intervention? Replace the drugs with criminal behavior. How many on that show revert back to drugs and they have loving caring families? Because I would like to banish the earth of monsters I am now a sociopath? Because I want people to be safe, I am a sociopath? Because I think certain criminals dont deserve a happy life because they ruined innocent lives of other, Im a sociopath?
We are the normal ones. You are in the same group as the criminals. If I had a neighbor with this menatlity I cant say I would be very neighborly to him because it says a lot about a person and their morals if they choose to raom the earth with monsters because there may be a chance that they coul dbe ok while everyone else has to look over their shoulder everywhere they go.
I just started laughing...I picture you sitting in hell with a pitchfork, horns, and flames all around you. In front of you is a desk with a computer, on the computer is city forum where you are trying to persuade others to join your evil view on why criminals deserve to walk the earth with the innocent. I m telling you just eat the purple pills and everything will be ok, lol. Unreal...
For the thenth time I am not referring to those above in bold.
We're using tame examples. You can included rapists in the list if you want. A lot of people make bad decisions in their life, and many people don't get caught for those bad decisions, don't make those decisions again.
I know a girl who is serving time for manslaughter. Tragic, but when she gets out, I'm more than well enough aware to realize she isn't going to be running around killing more people. We actually have higher recidivism rates because we treat people with disdain for having a criminal record. Another societal number Europe does better on.
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People such as the upstanding citizens you describe are the reason we have so many problems today in society. Give them an inch they take a yard. I vote to not risk anyone else getting hurt and keep them behind bars.
Too expensive. We should kill them instead. Why even bother giving them the chance to escape?
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Reform..I agree with this maybe 5% of the time. Sexual assaults, molesters, etc, always have an appetite for that sort of behavior. Its like an alcoholic, once an alcoholic, alway one.
Patently false.
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Its very easy to start drinking again after being sober for so long. Its called a relapse. It doesnt matter how much you care for them they will do it again if they are so inclined. Ever watch intervention? Replace the drugs with criminal behavior. How many on that show revert back to drugs and they have loving caring families?
I really hope you aren't basing your beliefs on a sensationalist TV Show.
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Because I would like to banish the earth of monsters I am now a sociopath?
Your failure to empathize with former convicts and their families is what makes you the sociopath. You've labeled former criminals repeatedly as monsters, disgusting beasts, etc. You hold contempt and disdain for other human beings. It makes you a very poor human.
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Because I want people to be safe, I am a sociopath? Because I think certain criminals dont deserve a happy life because they ruined innocent lives of other, Im a sociopath?
You don't make people safe my increasing rates of recidivism. You do the opposite. You've repeatedly referred to ex-convicts as criminals when manyare anything but.
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We are the normal ones. You are in the same group as the criminals. If I had a neighbor with this menatlity I cant say I would be very neighborly to him because it says a lot about a person and their morals if they choose to raom the earth with monsters because there may be a chance that they coul dbe ok while everyone else has to look over their shoulder everywhere they go.
I sit comfortably with my morals. I recognize people screw up, that people make mistakes, and that those effects are long lasting--but mistakes shouldn't ruin lives. You seem to take solace in the destruction of the lives of others. That makes you sociopath.
I wonder how many CDF posters engaged in defending the RSOs like wild chimpanzees (and I want to barf every time they use the "peeing on a wall" scenario, as if the bulk of RSOs are benevolent harmless babies) are doing it because they themselves are RSOs? Things that make you go hmmmmm.....
They don't generally see or understand the potential for long-term harm. That is why in general they do not qualify as sociopaths, and why cognitive-based therapy is important in treatment of sexual pathologies.
Chemical and or physical castration is the best therapy for a sexual predator.
Sex predators should thank their stars that I'm not in charge.
We're using tame examples. You can included rapists in the list if you want. A lot of people make bad decisions in their life, and many people don't get caught for those bad decisions, don't make those decisions again.
I know a girl who is serving time for manslaughter. Tragic, but when she gets out, I'm more than well enough aware to realize she isn't going to be running around killing more people. We actually have higher recidivism rates because we treat people with disdain for having a criminal record. Another societal number Europe does better on.
Too expensive. We should kill them instead. Why even bother giving them the chance to escape?
Patently false.
I really hope you aren't basing your beliefs on a sensationalist TV Show.
Your failure to empathize with former convicts and their families is what makes you the sociopath. You've labeled former criminals repeatedly as monsters, disgusting beasts, etc. You hold contempt and disdain for other human beings. It makes you a very poor human.
You don't make people safe my increasing rates of recidivism. You do the opposite. You've repeatedly referred to ex-convicts as criminals when manyare anything but.
I sit comfortably with my morals. I recognize people screw up, that people make mistakes, and that those effects are long lasting--but mistakes shouldn't ruin lives. You seem to take solace in the destruction of the lives of others. That makes you sociopath.
I am a level headed, college educated person that understands people screw up. Those effects you are referring to are ever lasting on the victims. So in your world, the victim has the memories of what happened which are often traumatizing, and has to deal with the thought of what happened to them everyday for the rest of their life, with the worry taht they may be living next door to them while the person that did that to them gets to roam the street scott free without a worry in the world because they are sorry. Thats a little messed up.
Thats like saying you care about someone and then unleashing a lion in their house. Maybe your friend will get away if he plays his cards right, but maybe not. Id rather not have to deal with a lion on the loose and would put him out of everyones harm long before he could potentially do any damage.
I wonder how many CDF posters engaged in defending the RSOs like wild chimpanzees (and I want to barf every time they use the "peeing on a wall" scenario, as if the bulk of RSOs are benevolent harmless babies) are doing it because they themselves are RSOs? Things that make you go hmmmmm.....
Statistically unlikely, but who would know better about the first-hand effects of societal stigmatization than an RSO him or herself?
When it comes to teens and/or underage consensual sex and public nudity there is a real and known problem with the "sex offender" label, law enforcement knows this, the court system knows this, anyone with a brain knows this. Unfortunately, in our typical ill planned, knee jerk way, we put laws into place that shouldn't be, laws that take flexibility out and insist upon THIS for THAT. Those laws are stupid and harmful and always will be, like "zero tolerance" anything.
Also, anyone claiming "my kids would never.." are exactly the type who's kids would. Don't even go there. Only some get caught, only some of those get the law called on them, and only some of those are unlucky enough to get on the radar of a person who decides the law is more important than common sense.
When it comes to teens and/or underage consensual sex and public nudity there is a real and known problem with the "sex offender" label, law enforcement knows this, the court system knows this, anyone with a brain knows this. Unfortunately, in our typical ill planned, knee jerk way, we put laws into place that shouldn't be, laws that take flexibility out and insist upon THIS for THAT. Those laws are stupid and harmful and always will be, like "zero tolerance" anything.
Also, anyone claiming "my kids would never.." are exactly the type who's kids would. Don't even go there. Only some get caught, only some of those get the law called on them, and only some of those are unlucky enough to get on the radar of a person who decides the law is more important than common sense.
I agree with you, however, is it a bad law? or is it a law that can be properly changed in order to make the public aware of the real offenders? I agree that its not perfect and that many slip through the cracks but thats life..at least there are may on the list and people are aware of who they are. It seems as though everone on here relates to those instances in order to disagree with the law but I also disagree with the law in those instances. Its the other ones, the more harsh ones that I feel need a law such as this in place.
These ex cons should feel privileged just to not be in jail.
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