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The environmentalist fanatical whack jobs with the help of this administration are destroying this country's ability to become energy independent....The End of America!!!
Great. Another Josef Göbbels propaganda worshiper.
You are energy independent.
What do you import to provide electrical power? Absolutely nothing.
I just debunked your nonsense.
If the Environmentally-Challenged Dynamic Duo of Blow Job Bill and the Gorebot hadn't cancelled funding for IFRs, you might actually have a safe, viable long term energy provider in the form of fusion reactors -- which don't produce nuclear waste, since the "waste" of fusion reactors is fuel for other fusion reactors.
You also have plenty of natural gas to run gas-fired turbines to produce electricity. You don't necessarily need coal.
Energetically...
Mircea
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Originally Posted by hamellr
And you are totally missing the point. By your argument, if the EPA was not around, the plants would not be closing, correct? But we both then posted pictures, before and after showing quite blatantly the EPA's direct effect on pollution in a specific city? So if the plants did not have to follow EPA standards, then your picture would not have been possible at all. If the EPA disappeared right now, how long do you think it would be before the original picture was a statement of things once again?
You don't need an EPA. The Pennsylvania EPA is just as qualified to make decisions, as are all State EPA offices.
If the people of Dimwitown, PA want changes, they will contact their State legislators and effect whatever changes they want. They don't need Big Daddy National Pseudo-Federal Pretend Government telling them what to do.
The EPA is not "forcing" any power plant to close. Nobody from the EPA will show up, remove all the workers, turn out the lights, shut down the furnaces and lock the gates. It is the OWNERS of those plants who will make the decision to close rather than meet the new requirements mandated by Congress.
It's their choice.
Like making the decision to get out of the way of a speeding semi or stay in the road in front of it.
And you are totally missing the point. By your argument, if the EPA was not around, the plants would not be closing, correct? But we both then posted pictures, before and after showing quite blatantly the EPA's direct effect on pollution in a specific city? So if the plants did not have to follow EPA standards, then your picture would not have been possible at all. If the EPA disappeared right now, how long do you think it would be before the original picture was a statement of things once again?
No you are missing the point. Nobody wants a town full of coal dust or what have you. What we have now is our government who is basing their energy and economic policy on "green energy" using the EPA to punish certain industries and favor others. Why didn't everybody die in your little town? They held a conference back in the fourties and left it up to the local municipalities to start cleaning the air up. Then the fed intervened in the fifties and we had the air pollution act and then the clean air act. All BEFORE your saviors the EPA were ever even around. Back then they worked together to clean things up they didn't focus on putting folks out of business like they are now. What we see now with this green carbon cutting nonsense is not cleaning up the air it is putting people out of work, closing business to shift things over to "green" nonsense that has no hope of competing unless everything else costs ten times more.
Great. Another Josef Göbbels propaganda worshiper.
You are energy independent.
What do you import to provide electrical power? Absolutely nothing.
I just debunked your nonsense.
If the Environmentally-Challenged Dynamic Duo of Blow Job Bill and the Gorebot hadn't cancelled funding for IFRs, you might actually have a safe, viable long term energy provider in the form of fusion reactors -- which don't produce nuclear waste, since the "waste" of fusion reactors is fuel for other fusion reactors.
You also have plenty of natural gas to run gas-fired turbines to produce electricity. You don't necessarily need coal.
Energetically...
Mircea
You don't need an EPA. The Pennsylvania EPA is just as qualified to make decisions, as are all State EPA offices.
If the people of Dimwitown, PA want changes, they will contact their State legislators and effect whatever changes they want. They don't need Big Daddy National Pseudo-Federal Pretend Government telling them what to do.
Constitutionally....
Mircea
Why do we have a federal EPA in the first place? Do you think it might have something to do with the unwillingness or inability of state regulators to control pollution in the first place OR the fact that air and water pollution cannot be contained within state boundaries, leaving downwind and downstream citizens affected by lax regulations in a neighboring state with no way to prevent the poisoning of their environment?
If you answered yes to both questions, then you are correct.
Please tell me how eliminating the EPA now would prevent that happening again.
Thank you for posting a picture that proves my point even more. Donora wouldn't look like that now if it hadn't been for the pesky EPA stepping in.
It would because the EPA didn't exist back then and by the time it did US Steel in that town was out of business.
Whoops.
It would be one thing if the EPA was an organization that protected US citizens but now it's just an ideological hack of central command authority dictating who what when where and how.
The EPA is not "forcing" any power plant to close. Nobody from the EPA will show up, remove all the workers, turn out the lights, shut down the furnaces and lock the gates. It is the OWNERS of those plants who will make the decision to close rather than meet the new requirements mandated by Congress.
It's their choice.
It is forcing the plant to close when it financially crushes it. It is soft totalitarianism. As wacko Ken Salazar said, they'll put a boot on the neck.
states the article. But lets go ahead and keep ignoring facts and blame the EVIL and ANTI-American EPA. Never mind that the EPA was created by a Republican, and cleaned up issues like this:
(Picture was taken at Noon in Donora, Pennsylvania, 1948)
I'm all for going back to acid rain. We don't have enough and wildlife and nature has been thriving WAY too much.
That's because of all the steel mills that were in that area. Instead of picture from 1948 taken near an area with heavy industry how about one from modern plant?
Why do we have a federal EPA in the first place? Do you think it might have something to do with the unwillingness or inability of state regulators to control pollution in the first place OR the fact that air and water pollution cannot be contained within state boundaries, leaving downwind and downstream citizens affected by lax regulations in a neighboring state with no way to prevent the poisoning of their environment?
Before Christie came into office NJ was part of lawsuit where bordering states were suing other states over pollution, in the case of NJ they were suing PA. I actually agreed with NJ's postion and my solution to the problem was quite simple. Close all the power plants generating excessive energy not needed in PA and pull the plug on power flowing into NJ. There is no reason the residents of PA should suffer the enviromental consequences of NJ's consumption.
Sounds like a fair an equitable solution?
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