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Old 10-05-2012, 12:28 AM
 
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I think it's more about the lack of demand in our economy than it's about regulations or Obamacare. Obamacare hasn't even kicked in yet.
Yep. Obama's lackluster economy. The other reasons were clearly listed as "worried about potential cost of healthcare" and "worried about new government regulations."

Um... look at your thread title. We're talking about small businesses. Gallup polled small businesses.

An opinion piece?

Read the Gallup poll.

Health Costs, Gov't Regulations Curb Small Business Hiring

46% of small businesses responded, "worried about new government regulations."
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:30 AM
 
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Yep. Obama's lackluster economy. The other reasons were clearly listed as "worried about potential cost of healthcare" and "worried about new government regulations."

Um... look at your thread title. We're talking about small businesses. Gallup polled small businesses.

Read the Gallup poll. 46% of small businesses responded, "worried about new government regulations."
Facts I posted prove those who were polled wrong.


Just admit, You were wrong. "Small businesses" don't exist, and they don't create jobs.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:32 AM
 
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Facts I posted prove those who were polled wrong.
What facts? You posted an article about big businesses, and then an opinion piece.

I posted a Gallup poll stating specifically what small business owners are saying.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:37 AM
 
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What facts? You posted an article about big businesses, and then an opinion piece.

I posted a Gallup poll stating specifically what small business owners are saying.
Read all the links I posted.

I proved you wrong about regulations killing jobs. I even posted a blog that explains how small businesses are not affected by Obama's tax proposals.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:41 AM
 
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I proved you wrong about regulations killing jobs.
No, you didn't. You posted an article about big businesses and an opinion piece that makes suppositions.
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I even posted a blog that explains how small businesses are not affected by Obama's tax proposals.
A blog?

I posted IRS data that clearly shows small businesses WILL be affected.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:45 AM
 
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Go back to the drawing board, Bud. I'm not a light-weight liberal.

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Census Bureau data show that 78 percent of businesses have no employees. Among those with employees, three-fifths have one to four employees, and 98 percent have fewer than 100. However, half of all workers are employed by large companies (those with more than 500 employees), and a third work for very large companies (those with more than 5,000 employees).

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The linkage between a small business’s tax burden and job creation, however, is tenuous at best. This stands to reason, since business start-ups, the prime engines of small-business job creation, seldom have any profits to tax; most start-ups lose money for the first several years.

And since labor costs are already deductible as a normal business expense, there is no reason to think that lowering a business’s overall tax burden, especially if it is just for one year, will have any effect whatsoever on the number of workers it employs.

Moreover, the proposed small-business tax cut would skew its benefits overwhelming toward highly profitable businesses that just happen to have a small number of employees. As Steven T. Dennis noted in Roll Call, Oprah Winfrey, a billionaire, would get a big tax cut, because her production company employs about 400 people, and so would the New York Giants, which has about 210 employees and made $1.3 billion last year.

Bruce Bartlett: Do Small Businesses Create Jobs? - NYTimes.com
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Old 10-05-2012, 10:14 AM
 
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Go back to the drawing board, Bud. I'm not a light-weight liberal.
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Census Bureau data show that 78 percent of businesses have no employees. Among those with employees, three-fifths have one to four employees, and 98 percent have fewer than 100. However, half of all workers are employed by large companies (those with more than 500 employees), and a third work for very large companies (those with more than 5,000 employees).
Notice the problem?

It's actually less than half. We already know that 54% are employed by small businesses that pay the individual income tax rates via pass-through accounting.

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"Thus, at least for the recent period we study, there appears to be a robust finding that small businesses do create more jobs."
http://www.socsci.uci.edu/~dneumark/...businesses.pdf

But, hey... go ahead and raise taxes on the known job creators who employ 54%. Not sure why that would be your preference, though.
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Old 10-05-2012, 01:14 PM
 
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"Small Businesses" Our Politicians Always Talk About Don't Exist


That's weird.....I'm sitting in one right now!!??

A private family corporation not part of any franchise.

Who knew my paycheck came from something that the OP says doesn't exist!!
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Old 10-05-2012, 02:16 PM
 
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"Small Businesses" Our Politicians Always Talk About Don't Exist


That's weird.....I'm sitting in one right now!!??

A private family corporation not part of any franchise.

Who knew my paycheck came from something that the OP says doesn't exist!!
I'm sitting in one right now, too. No franchise. Employs 80 people. It exists.
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Old 10-05-2012, 03:31 PM
 
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Notice the problem?

It's actually less than half. We already know that 54% are employed by small businesses that pay the individual income tax rates via pass-through accounting.

Furthermore... http://www.socsci.uci.edu/~dneumark/...businesses.pdf

But, hey... go ahead and raise taxes on the known job creators who employ 54%. Not sure why that would be your preference, though.
Can you cite the 54%? I don't want to it to be a quote from Mitt Romney either
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