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Even a 20 year plan would have been too expensive to be politically viable. 1.6 billion was not chump change back then.
Total revenue in 1860 was 65 million, a 20 year plan would cost 80 million a year.
Last time I'm going to comment on this, as we are really WAY off topic.
But in my mind, politically viable is exactly what I'm saying. The rich of the north would rather make money killing people in a war, then to not have a war, and have people set free without blood shed.
Which is my position all along, the civil war didn't have to happen, and slavery still could have been ended without granting the federal government way to much power, as Lincoln did.
The funny thing about Obama is he actually believed all that Communist/Socialist economic theory he learned at all those Liberal colleges he attended over the years. Now he is just standing there like a deer in the headlight wondering why none of these failed ideas worked.
The funny thing about Obama is he actually believed all that Communist/Socialist economic theory he learned at all those Liberal colleges he attended over the years. Now he is just standing there like a deer in the headlight wondering why none of these failed ideas worked.
The unrestrained free market system failed. Depression in 1872, depression in 1929, and countless recessions.
Americans decided that they want a social safety net. That doesn't mean we have to make safety particularly comfortable, it doesn't mean cable TV, free phones, nice free apartments, and coke with potato chips.
But we also don't want to see families broken up like the 20s and 30s. We don't want to see massive numbers of homeless turned into nomads.
70% of Americans support a safety net, and that safety net is what's prevented the 50 year depression cycle we experienced befire their existence.
Have the safety nets grown to large? I'd say so. Doesnf mean social policies don't have a place either. Ask yourself, how important is your job? Rail men, engineers, they did fine during the depression, cause they were still needed. But if your job doesn't require a degree to obtain, or isn't a necessity of every day life, bad news for you.
A safety net was easy to sell Americans after they went through the crashes caused by the central bank and gooberment meddling in the markets.
But 70% of Americans support them today. This isn't 1929 or 1932. Its 2012, and republicans, democrats, and independents agree, safety net is a must have.
That doesn't mean we can't limit that safety net to surviving levels, but it means you don't take them away and end them.
Hunt: "We are committed to all people. We do believe you could use government in a good way. Government’s the only thing that we all belong to. We have different churches, different clubs, but we’re together as a part of our city, or our county, or our state and our nation."
Whether you conclude that Hunt is saying that the government owns the people or whether the government is the common denominator that we all belong is up to the reader. However, Obama never said those words.
Well, unless you work for every company that you rely on government is the only thing that everyone is welcome to have a part in, and belong to. Why is this a bad thing?
What is this, another "shoot myself in the foot" campaign? How many noses are our faces going to have to cut off before we get the picture. WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. IT'S THE ONLY BUSINESS WE ALL OWN. Try and vote for Motorola's president and see how far you get. Try to vote against your insurance companies policies and see if they will let ya.
I'm so sick of it. If you would participate you'd know it was your voice, maybe you just don't participate. That is your choice as well. But don't cut down the process unless you participate in it. If everyone saw the government as the tool it is instead of a fictional monster trying to consume them they'd become powerful. Educate yourself, vote and watch the government channel so you know what to vote for instead of Fox news.
Amazing how propaganda works so well but I guess that's what some were trained to do for big companies lobbyists. They own the news you praise. I must take my hat off to them. Their plan obviously worked well. Currently they almost take over our vote for the president. Why not just hand it over for companies to decide? I bet they would participate. They do now because we have no objection to it. We could oust them in a minute. Get your head out of your arse.
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The unrestrained free market system failed. Depression in 1872, depression in 1929, and countless recessions.
Americans decided that they want a social safety net. That doesn't mean we have to make safety particularly comfortable, it doesn't mean cable TV, free phones, nice free apartments, and coke with potato chips.
But we also don't want to see families broken up like the 20s and 30s. We don't want to see massive numbers of homeless turned into nomads.
70% of Americans support a safety net, and that safety net is what's prevented the 50 year depression cycle we experienced befire their existence.
Have the safety nets grown to large? I'd say so. Doesnf mean social policies don't have a place either. Ask yourself, how important is your job? Rail men, engineers, they did fine during the depression, cause they were still needed. But if your job doesn't require a degree to obtain, or isn't a necessity of every day life, bad news for you.
"Americans decided to have this massive social "safety net" or did a few American decided to take from
one group and give to another to group?
What about the depression in 1920/21? What was the response?
What about the failure of Socialism in the USSR, EU, PR China?
What caused the Depression in 1929 become the Great Depression? Did government help or hurt the problem? Did the FDR "economic experiments" hurt or help?
1 trillion dollars spent on the "safety net" last year just by the feds. Toss in local and state spending I think we pretty much have the "safety net" well funded. And perhaps, too well funded.
Who said to do away with the "safety net?". Of course, if you look at the failure of these "safety nets" over the last 50 years you have to wonder "are we on the wrong track?".
There has been no better economic system than capitalism in the history of mankind. No other system has uplifted more people from poverty than capitalism. The current economic mess can be traced to the failure of big government and it's supporters to try and make life "fair" and have once again proved they are wrong.
Whomever cannot translate this within the correct context is either lying or extemely dumb.
If I belong to a club or gym, it does not mean that they own me, it means that I am a member and according to "government of the people, by the people, for the people"...we are all members.
Even a 20 year plan would have been too expensive to be politically viable. 1.6 billion was not chump change back then.
Total revenue in 1860 was 65 million, a 20 year plan would cost 80 million a year.
The huge mistake made at the end of the Civil War was to turn slaves loose in freedom without making sure they were educated to understand our Constitution and how to live in a free society. We are still suffering from that mistake. We are doing the same thing again when we allow all these 3rd country people to come into this country with no knowledge of how to understand and live within the parameters of America under the Constitution.
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