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Old 12-02-2013, 08:38 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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Philadelphia's own Benjamin Franklin said that two things are unavoidable: Death and taxes.

Ben said that 250 years ago.

Taxes were NOT invented by "liberals" and "Democrats" ... or didn't you know that?
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Old 12-02-2013, 08:38 PM
 
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Worse yet are people who have done nothing but take from government (taxpayers), never contributed to society or contributed very little (work and pay taxes) think that they are entitled to have what other people worked for and it is the "duty" and an obligation of those that have worked for what they have to provide for them.
How ironic. It's todays form of slavery and the poor are being used to perpetuate it.
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Old 12-02-2013, 08:38 PM
 
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Stop whining and start your own business then appoint yourself as the CEO or don't you have what it takes.. obviously.. and that is why you whine about what someone else makes. No one is forcing you to work for them.

Why don't you whine about how much celebrities make?
I have asked that before. Still waiting on an answer.
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Old 12-02-2013, 08:39 PM
 
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The truth is and a more accurate way of putting it would be,that you are " willing to make everyone else pay for that".
That is a frisk they are willing to take.


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Old 12-02-2013, 08:42 PM
 
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Liberals in this country want to take from people who have earned a living and give those assets to people who have not earned it.
A whole .21¢ of every dollar, Oh the inhumanity!
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Old 12-02-2013, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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One of the very rare instances where you will find a Christian saying "No, that's not what it really means" regarding a biblical concept is about Jesus' teaching "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's". Of course, the context and conclusion of the story show that Jesus was clearly not encouraging tax avoidance (which is what his enemies were hoping would happen, and thus result in Jesus' arrest by Roman authorities for tax rebellion).

It's very transparently hypocritical; Jesus' disciples (and Paul) spent no documented time complaining about taxation or how the government sought to regulate business, etc. However, it is one of the American Christian's chief concerns. Preoccupation with taxation was much more representative of the established Jewish attitude toward Rome, rather than the emerging Christian view.

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Old 12-02-2013, 08:45 PM
 
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If Henry Ford owned a fast food chain things would be different.
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Old 12-02-2013, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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How ironic. It's todays form of slavery and the poor are being used to perpetuate it.
The taxpayer would be those that are enslaved by government being forced to provide for those that choose not to provide for themselves. There are exceptions that I don't have a problem seeing my tax money go to, but they are certainly the minority. The majority are quite capable of working but they are allowed by government to make the choice to work or not. Unlike the taxpayer who doesn't have a choice and are forced to provide for them.
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Old 12-02-2013, 09:30 PM
 
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One of the very rare instances where you will find a Christian saying "No, that's not what it really means" regarding a biblical concept is about Jesus' teaching "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's". Of course, the context and conclusion of the story show that Jesus was clearly not encouraging tax avoidance (which is what his enemies were hoping would happen, and thus result in Jesus' arrest by Roman authorities for tax rebellion).

It's very transparently hypocritical; Jesus' disciples (and Paul) spent no documented time complaining about taxation or how the government sought to regulate business, etc. However, it is one of the American Christian's chief concerns. Preoccupation with taxation was much more representative of the established Jewish attitude toward Rome, rather than the emerging Christian view.
Should we subsidize and enable those who want to make welfare a way of life?
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Old 12-02-2013, 09:32 PM
 
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Ah, thank you, that is the point...they are legal, just as are all the so called handouts that "conservatives" decry. But by taking the tax breaks and credits someone else has to pick up - at least in theory - the shortfall. For those who choose to be childless or who are childless not by choice but by fate, it is unfair. Point is what is one person's fair share is another's handout under the system we have now. Everyone is on the dole.
When there is one head of household (single parent) raising a child(ren) and works and pays taxes and could be on welfare but isn't, I see whatever little they gain because of child credits is far worth than what it would cost for them to be on welfare that would cost the taxpayer $60,000 a year. I would rather absorb the shortfall just for the fact that they are working. All it means is that they are paying X amount less in taxes as opposed to not paying any taxes. Those child credits have a shelf life.
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