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Old 11-11-2012, 08:08 PM
 
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Idk, I'd be interested in conversing but I've learnt not to waste my time with people who seemingly aren't interested in anything other than mocking you thus giving themselves an intellectual boost of sorts. As it stands, that's my characterization of you.

You see, I've actually learnt with these boards.

What do you want from me?

You already know my position. I have nothing else to offer, excepts maybe an explaination, though I've covered that as well.

Just putting my thoughts out there...
You open with a series of wild arguments and arrogant posts with gems like "I could probably run circles around you if we're talking logic...I mean, I've more or less devoted my life to understanding what others percieve as logical".

Then, when your position is scrutinized even a bit, everything you says falls apart, to the point where you then say "It's not like I know I'm right...conversely, I'm pretty sure I'm wrong. But, I'll be defending this position until I understand what exactly is wrong with it."

Don't get upset when your fraudulent positions are mocked. If you can't handle it, keep them to yourself. In any case, I'll ignore your posting from here on out.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:15 PM
 
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This is the question, isn't it?

I don't know...I used to.

There isn't an argument that explains the hypocricy. Not that I can tell, anyway.

I'll just assume our laws are inherently hypocritical (though that isn't news) and continue living my life.

I was just pointing out another instance of it.

(But to answer the question more directly, it's understood that laws will always be general statements...one of the first things you learn while studying the law).
Huh?

I asked you to define what the "same general argument" is as it applies to your original premise. You do have one, don't you?
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:49 PM
 
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Huh?

I asked you to define what the "same general argument" is as it applies to your original premise. You do have one, don't you?
I can't do this anymore.

I'll leave it be.

Sort yourselves out.

Hopefully someone will come along that explains all this better than I seem to be able to.

I wish I was born like 5 generations after this one, that's for sure.
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:44 PM
 
Location: California
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I never know what people are talking about in these "legalize drugs" threads. Is it the end user you have issues with, and if so then why? What is the end game of keeping things illegal...we put the end users in jail? So to save them from themselves (because drugs are bad) we imprison them? It never makes sense.
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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Hell, even the Native Americans smoked weed, aka the peace pipe.
Ummmm. I think you are confusing marijuana with tobacco. Cannabis was introduced from Europe. Plenty of Native Americans, as well Americans of all backgrounds, smoke marijuana today, but traditionally, the peace pipe was stuffed with the most exalted plant, tobacco.

No point in confusing this issue with misinformation.

As to those who claim cannabis is more socially destructive than alcohol, as someone who works in the alcohol industry, I must respectfully disagree. Alcohol is a far more destructive drug, a fact I have to consider and contend with on a daily basis for the sake of my livelihood.
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Why does everything have to be equal when it isn't? Why did the media pretend that the election was close when any honest accounting of the polls showed it wasn't? .
Because only delusional liberals like yourself who are probally high on weed, claim that the election was a "landslide".

It was close - you just want to continue the narrative that it wasn't for political reasons.

Why do things needs to be equal when they aren't?

I agree.

Homosexual "marriage" is not = to marriage.
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Then why follow laws? Only because the consequences outweigh the converse?
Personally, I like to think laws are grounded in morality...so following them is moral, and not is not, and therefore the consequences imposed on you by others are justifiable.
But, I guess I'm just an idealist.
Was the Fugitive Slave Act grounded in morality? I believe in a higher law than man's.
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:32 PM
 
Location: USA
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Then why follow laws? Only because the consequences outweigh the converse?
Personally, I like to think laws are grounded in morality...so following them is moral, and not is not, and therefore the consequences imposed on you by others are justifiable.
But, I guess I'm just an idealist.
Yeah I couldn't disagree with this any more. I don't see why we're supposed to adjust our personal morality to our government's, and I certainly don't think the morality in the government reflects that of everyone. Should citizens of repressive governments elsewhere sit put and take it because the law says that they should?

Drug prohibition is a resounding failure, a complete waste of money, and a cause of drug-related social ills rather than a cure. People want to alter their state of mind and it's been going on for millenia.
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Weed isn't legal and should remain that way. Alcohol and tobacco as well.

The OD argument doesn't apply as alcohol can kill you yet I can go to walmart and buy as much of it if as I want if I choose to do so. It's legal because it's socially accepted...and that's just a convention we've set up.

Like I said, why stop? Where is the legalize cocaine movement?

We're being hypocritical. That's all I'm saying.
Agreed.

[legalize]
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:37 PM
 
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I would say drugs like cocaine and meth are de-facto legal. We have TONS of people smoking crack everyday and they never go to prison. I would prefer a society that rounds them up and puts them in prison for decades. If they dare smuggle in drugs in prison they should get the death penalty.
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