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It is not the American PEOPLE, irish bob. It is our politicans, whose pockets are lined by Israelis. The vast majority of the American PEOPLE don't care about Israel and would like to see it pick its own fights and pay for its own battles.
i dont agree that its only washington types who take this view , i could count on one hand the number of americans ive met in my time who held an unconventional view on this issue
heres what i think america and israel should do
israel must withdraw to pre 1967 borders , if this means sending new yorkers and russians back to where they came from , so beit , the pallestinians get their state
now here is where i do believe israel has the right to defend itself , if iran launches an attack on israel , not only should israel respond with ferocity , the usa should , afterall , the usa has an agreement with south korea and japan in this regard , if either of those countries are attacked , the usa has pledged to come to their aid
dont assume that those who believe israel is guilty of collective punishement against the pallestinians and imperilist expansionism , wish to see israel as a country gone , one thing i hate most about this issue is how its framed in such a black and white fashion , its a lot more nuanced than that
One Jewish state and we're supposed to want to see destroyed and turned into yet another Islamic state?
Destroy Mecca if you want to destroy something.
If the US was so concerned, why supply weapons to the opposing side? one thousand tanks sold to Egypt, and yet the US can claim they are concerned with Israel's safety?
i dont agree that its only washington types who take this view , i could count on one hand the number of americans ive met in my time who held an unconventional view on this issue
heres what i think america and israel should do
israel must withdraw to pre 1967 borders , if this means sending new yorkers and russians back to where they came from , so beit , the pallestinians get their state
now here is where i do believe israel has the right to defend itself , if iran launches an attack on israel , not only should israel respond with ferocity , the usa should , afterall , the usa has an agreement with south korea and japan in this regard , if either of those countries are attacked , the usa has pledged to come to their aid
dont assume that those who believe israel is guilty of collective punishement against the pallestinians and imperilist expansionism , wish to see israel as a country gone , one thing i hate most about this issue is how its framed in such a black and white fashion , its a lot more nuanced than that
Then to be consistent can we eliminate all new Islamic territories that came about since 1967 and can we expel all those who have arrived here since 1967?
Israel has stolen technology from us in the past and soaks us for about 4 billion a year and that Uss Liberty attack can never be forgiven. But, they are better than any of the Islamic countries in the Middle East so we are stuck with them.
i dont agree that its only washington types who take this view , i could count on one hand the number of americans ive met in my time who held an unconventional view on this issue
heres what i think america and israel should do
israel must withdraw to pre 1967 borders , if this means sending new yorkers and russians back to where they came from , so beit , the pallestinians get their state
now here is where i do believe israel has the right to defend itself , if iran launches an attack on israel , not only should israel respond with ferocity , the usa should , afterall , the usa has an agreement with south korea and japan in this regard , if either of those countries are attacked , the usa has pledged to come to their aid
dont assume that those who believe israel is guilty of collective punishement against the pallestinians and imperilist expansionism , wish to see israel as a country gone , one thing i hate most about this issue is how its framed in such a black and white fashion , its a lot more nuanced than that
Israel should not withdraw to anything, that is captured land from a war, a war in which they did not start.
Palestinians are so bad even Jordan expelled, them, and Jordan is a majority ethnic Palestinian. If Arab nations were truly concerned for the Palestinians, they would have diverted more of their billions in oil revenue to them, but Arab states do not like them, and as I said, the conflict is beneficial to them staying in power.
Then to be consistent can we eliminate all new Islamic territories that came about since 1967 and can we expel all those who have arrived here since 1967?
you will need to expand on your point , i dont follow
Israel has stolen technology from us in the past and soaks us for about 4 billion a year and that Uss Liberty attack can never be forgiven. But, they are better than any of the Islamic countries in the Middle East so we are stuck with them.
They stole because the US allowed them to, and they do not soak us for any money, the US gives it to them.
The US has also attacked things that should have not been; just how many years does this point linger on?
Better is subjective depending on the issue. Siding with "better" does not always translate to beneficial for the US.
Israel should not withdraw to anything, that is captured land from a war, a war in which they did not start.
Palestinians are so bad even Jordan expelled, them, and Jordan is a majority ethnic Palestinian. If Arab nations were truly concerned for the Palestinians, they would have diverted more of their billions in oil revenue to them, but Arab states do not like them, and as I said, the conflict is beneficial to them staying in power.
the british stole my country several centurys ago , eventually they got tired of being attacked and withdrew from three quaters of it , just because the british beat the irish many times over , didnt mean the irish simply raised their glasses and decided to become obedient little british subjects , its not a game of hockey where the loser accepts the result and the result stands
if israel refuses to withdraw and keeps stealing land , the violence will never end , the land they occupy contravenes international law
my question is this , is their any quater in the usa where an alternative view towards this global issue exists
Of course there is. Just like ALL other western countries that show the same amount of support for Israel. There are plenty of Palestinian support in all countries just like there is plenty of Israel support.
So why just single out the US? Just the easiest target?
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do american realise how at odds they are with the rest of the world when it comes to this matter
Really, the whole world? Within the last week from Western Leaders.
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The UK
"Foreign Secretary William Hague said: "Hamas bears principal responsibility for the current crisis. I utterly condemn rocket attacks from Gaza into southern Israel by Hamas and other armed groups.
UK government has licensed the sale of millions of pounds worth of arms to Israel, including key components for F-16 fighter jets."
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British Prime Minister David Cameron told Benjamin Netanyahu this week that Hamas “bears the principal responsibility” for the escalation.
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EU High Representative Catherine Ashton said this week, “Israel has the right to protect its population from these kinds of attacks.”
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BRUSSELS, BERLIN, JERUSALEM -- EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton and German Chancellor Angela Merkel issued statements on Friday saying that Israel has "a right to defend itself".
"Hamas in Gaza is responsible for the outbreak of violence," spokesman Georg Streiter told a news conference, and added that Merkel called on the Egyptian government to use its influence on Hamas "to limit the violence and bring it to an end."
Canada
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Canada’s Prime Minister Stephen Harper
“We condemn this terrorist group’s attacks against Israel. We recognize and support Israel’s right to defend itself against such terrorist attacks,” he said.
So why not single out Canada, UK or representatives at the EU?
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