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Most Palestinians live in the West Bank. Very few bearded barbarians running around. Its almost all Fatah and other PLO groups. I guess you're referring to Hamas. They were elected in response to Fatah corruption, not because of their stance with Israel. In fact a survey right after election showed that 3/4 of Palestinians wanted Hamas to accept Israel's right to exist. The fact that you think that "bearded barbarians" run the show is stupid. Even in Gaza its more of a secular society than in Egypt. Hamas is bad but they aren't the taliban.
Do you seriously believe that Israel would have any interest in wielding their security forces and their checkpoints, and their raids if not for the bearded barbarians? They are running the show in that all of the conflict in the region is on account of their militancy and their rule. It would be a tense political situation in the region if not for Hamas, but it would not be a violent one. They have high popularity in Gaza, every major attack is celebrated, who are you kidding to deny that. Why do the enlightened Palestinians tolerate and even celebrate such futile violence?
Cry me a river! People have been through bad times all over the world. Jews, Christians, Muslims, Arabs, etc. 800,000 Jews weren't expelled nor did they consider themselves refugees. Most left Arab countries over the course of DECADES and AFTER Israel was created, as opposed to Palestinians who were brutally evicted. Jews were begging to live with Arabs over Europeans for CENTURIES.
Right.. 99% of the Arab Jewish world decided at once to leave for Israel. People do not just up and leave for no reason, especially being well established. Arab discriminatory and ethnic cleansing policies in the Levant and surrounding communities either forced Jews too leave their prospected country or let due to Anti-Jewry policies.
The Palestinians were not "brutally evicted" considering they never had a country of their own. However, you could mention that the Egyptians and Jordanians illegally occupied the "Palestinians" and failed to champion such a Palestinian State. The Arab bloc trampled over Palestinian nationalism and today, the morally bankrupt left blames Israel for the Arab bloc's choices.
First off, there is infrastructure in Gaza. Second, get off of this "destroy" Israel gibberish. Israel is the occupying power which annexes land, bulldozes Palestinian homes and has set up a clear apartheid system in the West Bank. The economy is poor in the Palestinian areas because Israel controls the borders, imports, exports, airways, and coasts. If the occupation ends the Palestinian territories will improve. They are by far the most educated Arabs and have a more liberal society compared to most Arab countries with the exception of the Lebanese. And please don't give me the "Israel left Gaza" bs. Israel just evicted 8,000 illegal Jewish settlers and moved the to the West Bank. Gaza is still a massive open air prison and has been since Israel pulled its troops and settlers out of Gaza. No one is defending Hamas or their actions, but these restrictions on Gaza happened as soon as Israel left. Before Hamas won elections in Gaza and before rockets started being fired at Sderot.
SFNative87 continues his Anti Israel agenda by re-stating typical liberal propaganda being said over and over again.
Israel is not "occupying" the Gazan's considering A) Hamas is in complete control B) Palestinian is a territory not a state. Im not going to disect this lefty diarrhea but I will leave you at this note. In 1947, The Arab bloc rejected UNGA 181 which would of championed a Palestinian State. They rejected the proposal and decided to attempt to destroy Israel by going to war. They lost and now they want a do-over, again and again, war after war. The Arab bloc over the past 6 decades carefully calculated aggression instead of peace, and they lost every single time. And when a government who refuses to accept Israel as a country, uses its materials from that country and builds tunnels to destroy it..
Really? Turn down the volume on your TV and just look at the sophisticated construction of those tunnels and it will become obvious that they were built by Israel for military purposes, and are now being revealed for propaganda purposes. Why, I have no idea, but built by dirt poor low IQ Palestinians? No way.
Considering Egypt just destroyed two similar like tunnels connecting in the Sinai just last week, I fail to see you're evidence that Israel constructed the tunnel? Mexico... You should know something about tunnels and who can make them.
Right.. 99% of the Arab Jewish world decided at once to leave for Israel. People do not just up and leave for no reason, especially being well established. Arab discriminatory and ethnic cleansing policies in the Levant and surrounding communities either forced Jews too leave their prospected country or let due to Anti-Jewry policies.
The Palestinians were not "brutally evicted" considering they never had a country of their own. However, you could mention that the Egyptians and Jordanians illegally occupied the "Palestinians" and failed to champion such a Palestinian State. The Arab bloc trampled over Palestinian nationalism and today, the morally bankrupt left blames Israel for the Arab bloc's choices.
99% of Arab Jews didn't leave at once. In fact, they left very slowly over the course of decades, and if you asked, most would tell you that they had good relations with their Arab Muslim and Arab Christian neighbors.
"The Palestinians were not "brutally evicted" considering they never had a country of their own."
That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on city data! Not being sovereign means that you cannot be brutally evicted? Tell that to the people of Lid and Deir Yassin, or hell, the Jews of Hebron in 1929(though most of them were saved by their Palestinian Muslim neighbors, which is why only 69 died and not the 800 who lived in Hebron at the time.
lol the PLO was founded during the Jordanian occupation. Of course, being 19 years after they were evicted from their homes, the goal was to retake the entire homeland from the Europeans(so called "Israeli's")
SFNative87 continues his Anti Israel agenda by re-stating typical liberal propaganda being said over and over again.
Israel is not "occupying" the Gazan's considering A) Hamas is in complete control B) Palestinian is a territory not a state. Im not going to disect this lefty diarrhea but I will leave you at this note. In 1947, The Arab bloc rejected UNGA 181 which would of championed a Palestinian State. They rejected the proposal and decided to attempt to destroy Israel by going to war. They lost and now they want a do-over, again and again, war after war. The Arab bloc over the past 6 decades carefully calculated aggression instead of peace, and they lost every single time. And when a government who refuses to accept Israel as a country, uses its materials from that country and builds tunnels to destroy it..
Never mind, you made up you're mind years ago.
Israel controls imports, exports, the airspace and sea coast of Gaza, as well as who gets in and out. Sorry, but Israeli's started the war of 1948. Jewish terrorism from the likes of bloodthirsty creatures in Irgun used a campaign of terrorism against Palestinians before the war of 48. In fact, before the war ever started, Irgun and other Jewish terrorists in Palestine had already created 300,000 Palestinian refugees, killed hundreds of civilians and annexed 15% extra land that was already allotted to them by the UN. Also, Palestinians owned 90% of the land while the European immigrants owned 7%.
Yeah yeah, accuse people of "liberal" propaganda. Being pro Palestinian doesn't equate to liberalism. In fact, the vast majority of the world's population supports the Palestinians over the Israeli's in every survey taken on the conflict! Oh yeah buddy, 85% of the world's population lives in a country which has already recognized Palestine within the 1967 borders with AL QUDS as the capital. As opposed to the recognized Israeli capital of Tel Aviv
Do you seriously believe that Israel would have any interest in wielding their security forces and their checkpoints, and their raids if not for the bearded barbarians? They are running the show in that all of the conflict in the region is on account of their militancy and their rule. It would be a tense political situation in the region if not for Hamas, but it would not be a violent one. They have high popularity in Gaza, every major attack is celebrated, who are you kidding to deny that. Why do the enlightened Palestinians tolerate and even celebrate such futile violence?
So by bearded barbarians, I assume you're referring to radical Islamists, correct? Yes yes, you Zionists LOVE making it seem like this is a war between democratic Israel and some bad bad Muslims. Well buddy, I like 20% of Palestinians come from a CHRISTIAN family- and most of us Arab men....have beards. But since you're referring to radical Muslims being the problem. The PLO, PFLP, DFLP, PFLP-GC as well as the mayors of Ramallah(the de facto capital of Palestine), Bethlehem, Beit Sahour, Taybeh. Beit Jala, Birzeit, Jifna. Ein Arik, as well as the ambassadors to several Western nations, including the United States.
Nor are people throwing stones, peaceful protesting or performing peaceful resistance(sit-ins, civil disobendience, etc) "bearded barbarians." Shall I educate you about the horrors Israel brought upon the innocent Christian village of Beit Sahour when Christian leader and professor, Ghassan Andoni, rallied the entire city to stop paying taxes to Israel in 1989? Rabin stated, “We will teach them there is a price for refusing the laws of Israel."(Even though Palestinians were not Israeli citizens.) For the next 42 days, Israel blocked all movement in and out of the town, blocked food, water and medical supplies. They cut off phone lines and electricity in an attempt to sadistically punish an entire people for peaceful resisting their occupation. It was the most brutal blockade Israel had ever placed on a Palestinian town- and it was a CHRISTIAN town. No "bearded barbarians."
So yes, Israel does want to flex its military muscle in the West Bank. How else do you keep a people stateless and an apartheid system going?
And yes, there is sometimes broad support for attacks on Israeli soldiers and civilians alike. Its a sad reality when a people spends years under a brutal military, settlement and apartheid occupation. When there is freedom, support for such actions will diminish. To this day, I have met ONE Zionist who felt he should condemn Irgun terrorism. So look in the mirror before you call others.
BTW- here is the support for Hamas. From the Jerusalem Post(right wing Israeli news site)
I am not anti-Jewish, but I am anti-zionist, there is a difference.
No you're not, you're simply lying.
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I don't believe that any group has the right to claim that they have rights to a particular area of the world, because they "believe" their extremely distant ancestors lived in the region thousands of years ago.
I've been dealing with this kind of ludicrous BS for almost 50 years, and it never changes The same garbage spewed by lazy, uneducated jew-haters pretending to hide behind criticism of israel - just rinse and repeat...
Assuming that this poster actually has an interest in facts for one moment, I will pose this question to them: do you know what dar-al islam is? Muslims believe that EVERY inch of the middle east is THEIRS, and all others who live there are outsiders without sovereign rights to be oppressed and attacked at will. Go look it up yourself.
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Before the Europeans arrived and laid claim to the region,
What "europeans" are those?
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the real Semitic Jews were living side by side with Muslims and Christians with very little (if any) conflicts.
Oh my goodness Are you so academically clueless that you believe that the muslims have not been in fierce and consistent conflict with jews and christians in the mideast for 1,400 years? Is this what passes for a typical arab supporter these days?
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Before I can begin to address what the Palestinians are doing
Before you utter another single word you need to start reading the history of the middle east. There was not a century in the past 14 where jews were not suffering pogroms, oppression, expulsions or mass slaughters at the hands of arab muslims.
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I have to address the real issue which is, why were Eastern/Western Europeans and American whites allowed to enter Palestine and build homes in the first place. You fail to understand that this is the root of the problem.
Of course, it's NEVER the fault of the arab muslims for their conflicts - it's everyone ELSE'S fault
And of course, jews are not allowed to move to other countries...but arab muslims can move anywhere. The fact that the vast majority of arab muslims are not from the west bank or gaza, but from egypt, syria or jordan is obviously not a fact you were aware of, like so many others.
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Peace in the region won't be established until the occupiers leave the Palestinian land. It's really that simple.
Absolutely, as soon as the arab muslims start to accept the rights and sovereignty of minorities in the mideast, like kurds, baluchians, turkmen, coptics, maronites, assyrians, chaldeans, orthodox christians, manichaeans, and yes jews - there will never be peace in the mideast.
The fact that you think that "bearded barbarians" run the show is stupid. Even in Gaza its more of a secular society than in Egypt. Hamas is bad but they aren't the taliban.
These pro-arab posters are so devoid of facts, I'm not even sure if they believe the idiocies they post, or are just trolling. Try looking up how christians are doing in the west bank and gaza strip under arab muslim rule, vs. the christian community in israel. Facts are important in these threads.
99% of Arab Jews didn't leave at once. In fact, they left very slowly over the course of decades, and if you asked, most would tell you that they had good relations with their Arab Muslim and Arab Christian neighbors.
"The Palestinians were not "brutally evicted" considering they never had a country of their own."
That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on city data! Not being sovereign means that you cannot be brutally evicted? Tell that to the people of Lid and Deir Yassin, or hell, the Jews of Hebron in 1929(though most of them were saved by their Palestinian Muslim neighbors, which is why only 69 died and not the 800 who lived in Hebron at the time.
lol the PLO was founded during the Jordanian occupation. Of course, being 19 years after they were evicted from their homes, the goal was to retake the entire homeland from the Europeans(so called "Israeli's")
There was no country of Palestine prior to the creation of Israel. After the Ottoman Empire, the land was given to the Principle Allied Powers, which gave the British and French the responsibilities to creating a Jewish State and Arab States in the Middle East..
Why did the Arab bloc reject UNGA Resolution 181 for statehood in 1947? Why did Egypt and Jordan occupy the West Bank (Judea and Samara really) and Gaza while trampling Palestinian nationalism and statehood? Why did the 1964 PLO Charter Article 24 state that they have no claims to the land they are on today?
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The same garbage spewed by lazy, uneducated jew-haters pretending to hide behind criticism of israel - just rinse and repeat...
Are you so academically clueless that you believe that the muslims have not been in fierce and consistent conflict with jews and christians in the mideast for 1,400 years? Is this what passes for a typical arab supporter these days?