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View Poll Results: Should we build the HSR network
Yes 192 60.57%
No 125 39.43%
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Originally Posted by monkeywrenching View Post
guess what, interstate roads would have been built sooner or later without the feds getting involved. the interstate roads make for good commerce.
Ah yes, nice speculation post that you have no way of proving would of been the case.

 
Old 12-03-2012, 06:57 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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You don't support federal taxes? Guess you don't support our federal government or the US either for that matter because we wouldn't have a federal government without federal taxes, we are united states after all.

So you support having the minority tell the majority what they can and can't do with federal money? What if a minority of states wanted HSR would you then support it or are you just against for the sake of being against it?


really???????


the minority already tell the majority what they can do and cannot do. what do you think the democrats and republicans want?

if the majority of citizens in the USA wanted less taxes as in only paying 2% taxes in its entirety, then do you really think the feds would say sure thing? somehow i think not.
 
Old 12-03-2012, 06:59 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Ah yes, nice speculation post that you have no way of proving would of been the case.

really? did roads exist at all anywhere on the entire planet without the federal goverment getting involved?

somehow I dont think you will be able to answer that in your favor.
 
Old 12-03-2012, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Default HSR and Interstate highways

If we really wanted high speed rail we would have never made building interstate highways and mass air passenger service a government priority. We would have left the interstate travel to the railroads. They, most likely would have colluded to freeze rail travel technology to the 1950's, instead of progressing to HSR. The result would probably have looked like Europe in the 1960's. There would have been lots of slow or medium speed rail travel available at monopoly prices. We would also have been using a LOT less petroleum.

I believe that all "natural" monopolies such as roads, railroads and air transport should be owned and operated by the government in a manner that optimizes the use of resources and keeps prices as low as possible by eliminating high management salaries and eliminating dividends. Under this system we would have developed very high capacity bulk freight rail, very high speed intermediate distance rail service and long distance air travel. Very local transport would be by improved non interstate roads for freight and an extensive trolley system for people.

Given our current reality mid distance HSR will never be developed by the privately owned railroads or the militarist dominated Congress. We will be trapped by very expensive oil driven cars for commuting and low to mid distance travel and even more expensive air transport totally dependent on petroleum fuel. This will assure maximum wealth for the owners of the oil at great expense to the people of the country.
 
Old 12-03-2012, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Yeah, since when did a government undertake something like road building or other transportation infrastructure. How did the Romans build their roads? There is so much ignorant radicalism masquerading as reasonable conservatism these days it is crazy.

For what it's worth, the Interstate Highway System had potential national defense use as part of its justification.
 
Old 12-03-2012, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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really???????


the minority already tell the majority what they can do and cannot do. what do you think the democrats and republicans want?

if the majority of citizens in the USA wanted less taxes as in only paying 2% taxes in its entirety, then do you really think the feds would say sure thing? somehow i think not.
Actually those are representatives that are elected by the majority of voters, therefore they are doing what the majority elected them to do. Congress is as much of this country as you or your neighbor.
 
Old 12-03-2012, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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really? did roads exist at all anywhere on the entire planet without the federal goverment getting involved?

somehow I dont think you will be able to answer that in your favor.
Actually you can thank uniformed paved roads to your government because without them you would be driving around on uneven pavement, dirt roads, and gravel.
 
Old 12-03-2012, 08:40 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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Sounds great, but the liberals would ultimately be against as it may disrupt the elk population, or a spotted salamander somewhere through it's path...
Much like the oil pipeline from Canada that the the current regime rejected...and i quote..

Obama was putting politics ahead of jobs and the nation's energy security by rejecting the pipeline now, Republicans and oil industry leaders said. The president faced fierce pressure from environmentalists who said they would be less likely to campaign for him in November if he didn't block the project to move carbon-heavy oil from the tar sands of northwest Canada.

Another 4 years..Damn
To the OP: HSR is a great idea, but it doesn't stop in Kansas. does it.


I feel sorry for the misinformed, I truly do.

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Old 12-03-2012, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Democracies fail when a minority group of elites think they have full control of the majority and their money. Unless you are trying to say we need to be a monarchy?
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."
- - - Elmer T. Peterson *(Misattributed to De Tocqueville)
Fortunately, in America's case, we're promised a "republican form" wherein the individual is sovereign, and the government is his servant, not his ruler.
 
Old 12-03-2012, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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exactly correct. income tax should be repealed, and make do with what the Constitution allows for. no borrowing at all.
From the US Constitution:
-The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
-To borrow money on the credit of the United States
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