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Old 12-11-2012, 01:42 PM
 
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Yep and these people are learning the negative of having Republicans in charge, getting things rammed through without any debate because we all know you can make major decisions without proper debate and weighing all the possibilities.
Amnesia again eh? Do you remember anything about how the HC bill was passed?
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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No it can't. You can't pay someone more for the same job at the same place just because they are a union member. That is discrimination and is illegal. I suggest that if you find yourself in that situation, call a good lawyer and enjoy your early retirement from the settlement you'll get.
Sounds like you might want to ask the union workers how much they are making cause I bet they are making more.

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American workers who are members of unions earn significantly more per hour than their nonunion counterparts, according to a report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). Data from the BLS National Compensation Survey shows that in July 2002, average hourly earnings among all union workers were $20.65, compared with $16.42 for nonunion workers.

In 2002, full-time wage and salary workers who were union members had median usual weekly earnings of $740, compared with a median of $587 for wage and salary workers who were not represented by unions.
Union Workers Earn More Than Nonunion
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Amnesia again eh? Do you remember anything about how the HC bill was passed?
You must have amnesia cause you seem to forget how long it took to get HC passed and the amount of time it spent in Congress being debated.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:50 PM
 
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Sounds like you might want to ask the union workers how much they are making cause I bet they are making more.
That's not at the same place of employment. BTW, it is well known that unions get above market rate for their employees, hence the near bankrupt states. Private unions are not in question, if an owner of a company wants to pay above market value for everything, let them. State's use OUR money, that's the difference.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:51 PM
 
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You must have amnesia cause you seem to forget how long it took to get HC passed and the amount of time it spent in Congress being debated.
It was NEVER debated by both sides. The R's were locked out of it. Where you asleep through it or not paying attention?
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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It was NEVER debated by both sides. The R's were locked out of it. Where you asleep through it or not paying attention?
The Republicans were not locked out of the debate, the Republicans were trying to stop the debate at every turn. If there was no debate we would have the single payer option. You must of not been paying attention to the actual debate.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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That's not at the same place of employment. BTW, it is well known that unions get above market rate for their employees, hence the near bankrupt states. Private unions are not in question, if an owner of a company wants to pay above market value for everything, let them. State's use OUR money, that's the difference.
You should check with your union counterparts, I bet they get much better benefits than you do, unless you pay a union due to be apart of what they make.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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I had never thought of it that way, but you're 100% correct.

Democrats/liberals and unions. Both should be abolished from the face of the earth.
And the minimum wage abolished as well?
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Union members? I thought you said Democrats.
I too am confused.

Not all Democrats are pro union and not all union members vote Democrat.

That some unions contribute to Democrat campaigns does not mean all their members will votre Democrat.

Some unions also make contributions to Republicans, too.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:02 PM
 
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You should check with your union counterparts, I bet they get much better benefits than you do, unless you pay a union due to be apart of what they make.
We all get the same. Even the non members pay some % in dues, just not 100%. There are no free riders in right to work states, atleast in the public arena:

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The Supreme Court in Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, 431 U.S. 209 (1977), held that public employees that elect not to join a union can only be required to pay a fee (i.e. “agency fee” or “fair share fee”). The agency fee equals the employee’s share of what the union can prove is related to collective bargaining, contract administration, and grievance adjustment.
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