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We all get the same. Even the non members pay some % in dues, just not 100%. There are no free riders in right to work states, atleast in the public arena:
So you pay dues even being a non union worker, sounds the same as non right to work states, so if those two things are the same, then I guess that isn't the difference.
So you pay dues even being a non union worker, sounds the same as non right to work states, so if those two things are the same, then I guess that isn't the difference.
There is a difference. In a "non" right to work state you MUST pay 100% of the dues or not work there. There is a choice for employees in RTW states, if they want to go that route. This really isn't such a big deal, I don't see why people wouldn't just pay the extra 20% and get all the member only benefits too. I hate my union, they don't do jack for us, but I still remain a full member because I'd be paying 80% anyway. Some people see it differently though. It's the choice that people like.
There is a difference. In a "non" right to work state you MUST pay 100% of the dues or not work there. There is a choice for employees in RTW states, if they want to go that route. This really isn't such a big deal, I don't see why people wouldn't just pay the extra 20% and get all the member only benefits too. I hate my union, they don't do jack for us, but I still remain a full member because I'd be paying 80% anyway. Some people see it differently though. It's the choice that people like.
So you have a choice to not pay that 80% yet you pay it even though they don't do jack for you, yet you are not a union member therefore they really don't need to do much for you if you are not an actual member.
If im going to buy representation from someone I want to choose who that someotne might be. Compulsory union membership creates a situation where the union has captfured 100% of the market that represents labor. That is a monopoly and unconstitutional.
In the currentl market the union has no obligation to the worker and every obligation to the politician. i want no part of a corrupt arrangement made to hold me down as a worker.
If im going to buy representation from someone I want to choose who that someotne might be. Compulsory union membership creates a situation where the union has captfured 100% of the market that represents labor. That is a monopoly and unconstitutional.
In the currentl market the union has no obligation to the worker and every obligation to the politician. i want no part of a corrupt arrangement made to hold me down as a worker.
Union workers make more money than non-union workers, how are they holding you down?
Average wages are higher in non union states than in union states. How about we "share the wealth".
I lived in Michigan, the Upper penninsula where economies are poor and good jobs hard to come by. I spent most of my working career resenting the fact that as a machinist in Escanaba i was making half what a machinist made in Saginaw.
A person working an assembly line in the UAW owns a sprawling executive on a lake, two brand spanking new automobiles, a hunting camp on 40 acres in my back yard in the Up where he the take 3 vacations a year to Hunt, snowmobile and fish the walley circuit?
Meanwhile im a teamster doing the same exact job, making $14 an hour can barley support a family own a 100 YO house in town and drive a rusty beater. Its OK though because I get to go down to the park and watch the weigh in at the wall ey championship whene the pig from down state wins another $1000.00 purse because hes spoiled and over paid
You know not what TF you are talking about
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Originally Posted by urbanlife78
Union workers make more money than non-union workers, how are they holding you down?
Average wages are higher in non union states than in union states. How about we "share the wealth".
I lived in Michigan, the Upper penninsula where economies are poor and good jobs hard to come by. I spent most of my working career resenting the fact that as a machinist in Escanaba i was making half what a machinist made in Saginaw.
A person working an assembly line in the UAW owns a sprawling executive on a lake, two brand spanking new automobiles, a hunting camp on 40 acres in my back yard in the Up where he the take 3 vacations a year to Hunt, snowmobile and fish the walley circuit?
Meanwhile im a teamster doing the same exact job, making $14 an hour can barley support a family own a 100 YO house in town and drive a rusty beater. Its OK though because I get to go down to the park and watch the weigh in at the wall ey championship whene the pig from down state wins another $1000.00 purse because hes spoiled and over paid
You know not what TF you are talking about
Strange apparently facts disagree with your statement.
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Wages in right-to-work states are 3.2% lower than those in non-RTW states, after controlling for a full complement of individual demographic and socioeconomic variables as well as state macroeconomic indicators. Using the average wage in non-RTW states as the base ($22.11), the average full-time, full-year worker in an RTW state makes about $1,500 less annually than a similar worker in a non-RTW state. Right-to-work law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
...everyone should have the right to join a union if they choose.....
...everyone should have the right to not join a union if they choose...
...too complicated?
I can't imagine being in a union shop and NOT joining the union. Life would be miserable there.
And besides, if you don't join the union, you still pay negotiating fees to the union equal to what you would have paid in union dues...might as well join.
This is the tie breaker for me. I had decided to get out of teaching but this year is going great and I was thinking about staying...Now that I have RTW wages to look forward to for what is proving to be the hardest job I've ever done in my life, I'll be getting out of teaching. I can't afford to live on what teachers live on in RTW states....sadly, our kids can't afford the education their kids get either.
The plus side of RTW states is that the RTW states in blue are all the states I would never live in anyway because the pay is often times much lower and the living conditions are typically less than ideal. Plus most of those states are muggy as hell and suck in the summer time.
You might want to shade in blue Wisconsin and michigan as right to work states.
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