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Old 12-23-2012, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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The answer is that those states are sparcely populated; and, consequently, not a good statistical measure for shootings, or criminal activity generally.
Sandy Hook is a small town.

My small (100,000) city in densely populated Central Texas next to Austin is full of guns, but murder here is rare. And we have had armed police resource officers in all the secondary schools for years.
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Old 12-23-2012, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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That is death by guns, not the overall murder rates.


466 violent crimes in the USA per 100,000
2034 violent crimes in Britain, per 100,000


In Britain, see what happens to you, if you beat the crap out of someone breaking into your van and stealing your tools.
You are in jail and fined more by the state, than the guy that you caught, in which you pay his medical bills, pay for his rehab, + you have to pay him restitution.
That rate for US seems high, USDOJ puts it around 225. |When you are comparing countries you have to see what their definition of violent crime is, where did you get the Britain stat? are you including northern island

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Criminal Victimization, 2011
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Old 12-23-2012, 02:52 PM
 
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Because states with tougher gun laws have fewer gun homicides, as shown on the map below. States are graded on the strength of each state’s gun laws. Blue states have the lowest gun death rates and orange stages the highest gun death rates of all fifty states.



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Old 12-23-2012, 03:31 PM
 
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Because states with tougher gun laws have fewer gun homicides, as shown on the map below. States are graded on the strength of each state’s gun laws. Blue states have the lowest gun death rates and orange stages the highest gun death rates of all fifty states.



Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence
Your map is "gun death rates" not "homicides". Places like Alaska and Montana on that map have low firearms homicide rates, but they have more suicides and occasional hunting accidents due to being major hunting industry states--but hunting accidents tend to be rare even in those places.
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Old 12-23-2012, 03:55 PM
 
Location: not Chicagoland
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Cost of living, keeps the low life pond scum, at bay.

Kind of like there is low crime in the affluent and wealthy areas around Chicago, but the inner city is a war zone.
Oppression and poverty, create victims of violence.

Look at Britain... Their violence statistics, are more than 4 times greater per capita, than the USA. They are not allowed to protect themselves in Britain.
Wow, thank you for telling me that the safety I thought I was experiencing was not real!

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Your map is "gun death rates" not "homicides". Places like Alaska and Montana on that map have low firearms homicide rates, but they have more suicides and occasional hunting accidents due to being major hunting industry states--but hunting accidents tend to be rare even in those places.
You kind of contradicted yourself in your post.
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Old 12-23-2012, 04:21 PM
 
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They have deaths from homicides, suicides, hunting accidents, kids playing with guns, gun malfunctions, handling accidents, etc. If someone dies from a gun, they are counted. For those states, especially Alaska, suicide by firearm is high I've seen as high as 70% of firearms 'violent' deaths in AK are suicide. The northwest territories of Canada will get suicides by firearm and due to the low population, they will lead the world in violent firearms deaths.
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Old 12-23-2012, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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They have deaths from homicides, suicides, hunting accidents, kids playing with guns, gun malfunctions, handling accidents, etc. If someone dies from a gun, they are counted. For those states, especially Alaska, suicide by firearm is high I've seen as high as 70% of firearms 'violent' deaths in AK are suicide. The northwest territories of Canada will get suicides by firearm and due to the low population, they will lead the world in violent firearms deaths.
So I guess for you the only bad thing on that list is homicides?
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Old 12-23-2012, 06:12 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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If stricter gun laws really meant less gun crime, VT, NH and ME would be the most dangerous places in America.
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Old 12-23-2012, 06:15 PM
 
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So I guess for you the only bad thing on that list is homicides?
They are all bad things. The previous poster was trying to infer homicides and posted a map of gun deaths.
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Old 12-23-2012, 06:20 PM
 
Location: in a cabin overlooking the mountains
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The only real strong correlation found with crime is poverty. Certain cities, groups, ethnicities tend to have a higher propensity toward poverty. Video games had a weak correlation as did race alone or music or inner city culture. So if VT/NH/ME are lacking in poverty, they will probably be lacking in crime.
Yeah but they are NOT lacking in poverty, not by any means. It may look different from urban poverty but it is still poverty. About the only exception is the southeastern part of NH (which is now a suburb of Boston) and the Disneyland towns of Manchester and Woodstock VT that have been taken over by flatlanders.
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