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Enough is enough already. Stand down with the pro-gun fervor. It comes off as bloodlust.
In your mind only.
Why don't you do some research to find out why the founders thought it important to protect the right of the citizens to bear arms? Have you ever in your life taken a civics class (It was required when I was in H.S.)? There is a very good reason why the right to bear arms was is protected. It isn't a mystery.
For your information, the right to bear arms was not "given," which is why I said they thought it important to "protect it."
Why don't you do some research to find out why the founders thought it important to protect the right of the citizens to bear arms? Have you ever in your life taken a civics class (It was required when I was in H.S.)? There is a very good reason why the right to bear arms was is protected. It isn't a mystery.
For your information, the right to bear arms was not "given," which is why I said they thought it important to "protect it."
And no amendment is absolute.
First amendment limits include (1) not being able to yell fire in a theatre, (2) Not being able to libel/slander, (3) Not being able to posess or produce kiddie porn.
Somehow no one whines and the First Amendment lives on, just fine.
First amendment limits include (1) not being able to yell fire in a theatre, (2) Not being able to libel/slander, (3) Not being able to posess or produce kiddie porn.
Somehow no one whines and the First Amendment lives on, just fine.
Go right ahead and break up the CONS to the new wave liberal emotional meanings... Then just see what happens. More paper tiger laws more feel good law ad nauseum.
So long as you can earn a lot figure, but enough for food and shopping at walmart you lefties never give a rats ass about anything else. So shallow is life...
You murder a million + each year in abortion and these murders for some reason don't count because the killing isn't done with a gun?
On one of the gun control discussion panels that took place on CNN they brought up the fact that a very high percentage of shooting ranges REQUIRE people who use the range to join the NRA first. They also said that only half of the income that comes into the NRA comes in from their membership. The other half comes from the gun manufactures. So I actually wonder if those large numbers of NRA members they brag about really reflects anything worth knowing. My own husband was a life member until he died this year, but he hated how the group had morphed in the past decade or two. He refused to turn in his membership for two reasons: 1) he wanted them to keep burning up assets sending him literature and magazines, and 2) we wanted to keep track of their involvement in politics so we could put our political donations in places that fought what they supported. How many other members do they have who aren't really supportive of their irrational attitude towards things like the Brady Bill? Then factor in their recruiting program to gives away free stuff to join that equals what the one year membership costs....well, you get the picture.
Many times on these boards, I've seen that pro-gun people like to crow that the NRA membership is at an all-time high and that people are buying guns by the truckload in the wake of the Newtown shootings. I'll set aside how sick I think that whole mentality is, but what I fail to see is how these pro-gun people are only counting new membership numbers and have no way of counting the number of net members LOST because of the NRA's heartless response to the shootings. How many thousands of people around the country today are doing exactly what this guy is doing?:
NRA Member Cuts Up Membership Card on Camera - YouTube
You'll never know, because these numbers can't be counted. The NRA won't even know until next year when they see that people like him are not renewing their fees.
Enough is enough already. Stand down with the pro-gun fervor. It comes off as bloodlust.
This was a CNN newsperson and he belongs or did to NRA or so he says...This is one person, if you want to believe there will be a lot of others following him, you go right ahead,maybe then the NRA will totally go by the wasteside and you will be happy. Just don't hold your breath or expect this to turn into a mass exit by people from the NRA..
I bet the membership is rising. The far right wingnut fringe has become largely an anti-reason, reactionary culture. When you build a culture around the lunacy that your ideas cannot possible ever be wrong, or improved, any hint that you might change just reboots the irrational outrage and conspiracy theories. Theatrical outrage and paranoia are about all we get from that contingent these days. Ideas and leadership left the stage years ago.
Indefinite detention, warrant-less surveillance, extraordinary rendition, drones and the ability to hack into any camera connected in a nation with nearly 100% of its citizens connected via cell phones and computers. Puts a new spin on getting everyone signed up to cell phone service doesn't it?
Are you aware that the NSA is the largest purchaser of Super Computers? Apparently not. Maybe you ought to ask yourself if it's just for foreign intelligence or domestic also...
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The story adds confirmation to what the New York Times revealed in 2005: that the NSA has engaged in widespread wiretapping of Americans with the consent of firms like AT&T and Verizon.
Since 2001, the NSA has intercepted and stored between 15 and 20 trillion messages, according to the estimate of ex-NSA scientist Bill Binney. It now aims to store yottabytes of data. A yottabyte is a million billions of gigabytes. According to one storage firm’s estimate in 2009, a yottabyte would cover the entire states of Rhode Island and Delaware with data centers.
Instead it chose to put the wiretapping rooms at key junction points throughout the country—large, windowless buildings known as switches—thus gaining access to not just international communications but also to most of the domestic traffic flowing through the US. The network of intercept stations goes far beyond the single room in an AT&T building in San Francisco exposed by a whistle-blower in 2006. “I think there’s 10 to 20 of them,†Binney says. “That’s not just San Francisco; they have them in the middle of the country and also on the East Coast.â€
Verizon was also part of the program, Binney says, and that greatly expanded the volume of calls subject to the agency’s domestic eavesdropping. “That multiplies the call rate by at least a factor of five,†he says. “So you’re over a billion and a half calls a day.†(Spokespeople for Verizon and AT&T said their companies would not comment on matters of national security.)
And here you folks are complaining that gun owners are just paranoid and that the government would never intrude on its citizens.
It just shows that you have no clue what occurred in the 20th century with, and by, governments that were largely democratically elected.
It amazes me that some of you were probably required to read 'Nineteen Eighty-Four' in middle or high school and now you're practically begging to Orwelled.
oh, so now we are going to bring up the red states versus the blue state argument..I don't think that has much to do with anything and I am not sure where you are getting your information anyway..you realize most people who hunt also belong to and support NRA don't you and yes, many of them do live in red states, as red states are usually a little more rural and unpopulated, thus hunting is more common? I am sure you also realized there are a lot of Democrats, even left wingers that love to hunt and own guns...it's the criminals in the inner cities that kill people without even owning the guns...They steal them!!!!
Well, you can add my own mom to the list of people who are cutting up their NRA membership cards today. She's had enough and that idiotic press conference yesterday pretty much sealed the decision.
She still believes in the 2nd Amendment, but I'm sure she's not alone in her disgust of the NRA.
Does the second amendment really apply to modern guns such as assault rifles? When it was written firearms were called muskets...They took a long time to load and were not very accurate....Your laws regarding guns badly needs to be updated.
Does the second amendment really apply to modern guns such as assault rifles? When it was written firearms were called muskets...They took a long time to load and were not very accurate....Your laws regarding guns badly needs to be updated.
It's called escalation. Both at the governmental and civilian level.
Does the second amendment really apply to modern guns such as assault rifles? When it was written firearms were called muskets...They took a long time to load and were not very accurate....Your laws regarding guns badly needs to be updated.
And why is that?
So that you can disarm law-abiding citizens.
You don't seriously think criminals will all the sudden become upstanding citizens of the community and turn in their guns when they see the people they pray on being systematically disarmed or at the very least armed inadequately to protect against guns the criminals already have?
You people live in a dream world.
Here's some more but this time from the liberal New American:
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Of the lot, the drones in the Montgomery County, Texas Sheriff's office is probably most controversial because of the model they purchased. The police department's ShadowHawk unmanned helicopter was made by Vanguard Defense Industries and the department has discussed weaponizing the drone.
Drones over America will eventually be armed, possibly at first with non-lethal weapons such as tear gas, Tazers, sound cannons, or an EMP pulse weapon to stop a car. The list is only limited by the designers' imagination. The Montgomery County, Texas, sheriff's office recently purchased a ShadowHawk helicopter. Vanguard Defense Industries CEO Michael Buscher admitted his company's drones are designed to carry weapons for local law enforcement. "The aircraft has the capability to have a number of different systems on board. Mostly, for law enforcement, we focus on what we call less lethal systems," Buscher told a local Houston television station, including Tazers and a bean bag gun known as a “stun baton.”
The use of armed drones — not yet a reality, but inevitable without strong legislation — always comes with promises by law enforcement not to abuse the tools. "We're not going to use it to be invading somebody's privacy. It'll be used for situations we have with criminals," Montgomery County Sheriff Tommy Gage told his local television station.
But that's really the problem. Police suspects are not criminals under our law.
Finally, the Court reviewed contemporaneous state consti- 5
tutions, post-enactment commentary, and subsequent case law to
conclude that the purpose of the right to keep and bear arms
extended beyond the context of militia service to include
self-defense.
The Court, relying on historical analysis set forth 11
previously in Heller, noted the English common law roots of the
right to keep arms for self-defense and the importance of the 12
right to the American colonies, the drafters of the Constitution.
and the states as a bulwark against over-reaching federal authority.
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