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First, I would slap my child for posing for or engaged in "provcative posing" in public.
But, I am not naive enough to think that sex isn't on the mind of every teenager. This isn't a "decline in morals" thing.
Hundreds of years ago girls the age of 12, 13, 14 were married off to older men, and started popping babies out before their 16th birthday. Romeo and Juliet, for pete's sake, involves a 1 year old girl.
It is only a recent development that teenage sexuality - and sexuality in general - has been so controlled and taboo.
Very interesting documentaries are available out there on how even Hollywood was once MORE open and free at its founding, before a bunch of Puritans got a hold of it and started imposing ridiculous rules and censorship. The whole "parents in separate beds" thing? Really? Yeah folks, life isn't a Disney Movie.
Today in America, there's zero moral problem with images of violence, gun culture, war and worship... yet heaven forbid Janet Jackson flash a nipple, or a man's penis be shown on television. Think of the children!
So we'll put you down as "not a Beatles fan". Ringo Starr, who has preached peace and love for nearly 50 years, will be quite disappointed to learn that his message didn't infiltrate your gun-promoting, militaristic mind-set.
If any morals need to decay it's the culture in this country that believes that the good way to end all to our problems as a society is more guns and more war.
Cover your ears because I'm about to play "Yellow Submarine" with that lovable mop-top from Liverpool named Ringo singing lead and on drums. I'm sure you'll be quite disappointed to learn he doesn't sing about guns nor does he once mention..... sex!
How about we DONT correct for that. Thats the problem with your half baked logic and idiotic reasoning is you think you can correct and adjust variables until the facts fit your argument.
Oh and the red states get more welfare than blue states BS has already been de bunked when you look at the actual numbers of people who recieve welfare. The lazy slobs in ny detroit chi LA are are glomming down on that stuff compared to the white trash in S Dakota
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Race is a huge factor. But correcting for that, whites in Red States are far more likely to divorce, buy porn, and undergo teenage pregnancy.
Then of course you turn around and pretend how much more moral you are and start lecturing Blue States.
How many of you would care that the girl in #13 is your daughter?
All of us would care, but that's not the issue. Don't personalize it. The bigger issue is that we're sexual beings, and kids will be kids. Denyine the sexual impulse in young healthy children is silly. Moreover, children will behave badly because it's in their nature to do so. They'll grow out of it like most children do. Like you did and i did. Simple, right?
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I really hate when people politicize stuff....but here we go anyway.
I'm not a "moral" anything. We are not born with morals.. there is no "right" thing to do inherently. So what do you have when you cut through all that BS?? A value. And that is what? A preference.
I prefer to NOT see children dry humping... Why? Because I have 3 children.. and I wouldn't want to see THEM on some promoters flyer like 2 knuckle dragging heathens that had no parent to tell them "Hey look, you look like a total buffoon"...
Are they my kids? No... but here is something for a left-tard to bite down on. Liberals love to stress empathy when it comes to down to their partisan "values". Well, here we go... I am being empathetic with parents of some stupid ass kids.
Well, you might say "it's their children, they may not care"...
Well, then guess what? I don't care if a 99 week'er needs 12 more weeks. It's not my unemployment.
See how easy that works?
Nonsense. Humans ARE born with inherent morals. What's the sense of claiming that we're higher animals on the evolutionary scale if we aren't at least born with a sense of morality? This is interesting:
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Professor Paul Bloom, a psychologist at Yale University in Connecticut, whose department has studied morality in babies for years, said: 'A growing body of evidence suggests that humans do have a rudimentary moral sense from the very start of life.
'You can see glimmers of moral thought, moral judgement and moral feeling even in the first year of life. Some sense of good and evil seems to be bred in the bones.'
For one study, the Yale researchers got babies aged between six months and a year to watch a puppet show in which a simple, colourful wooden shape with eyes tries to climb a hill.
Sometimes the shape is helped up the hill by a second toy, while other times a third character pushes it down.
After watching the show several times, the babies were shown the helpful and unhelpful toys.
They showed a clear preference for the helpful toys - spending far longer looking at the 'good' shapes than the 'bad' ones.
'Just about all the babies reached for the good guy,' Professor Bloom told The New York Times.
Two more tests found the same moral sense using a toy dog, a box and a rabbit puppet and a ball.
'In both studies, five-month-olds preferred the good guy - the one who helped to open the box; the one who rolled the ball back - to the bad guy,' said Professor Bloom.
As for the "dry humping," again, teens are sexual just like everyone else. One should come to expect experimentation. It's really not a big ass deal.
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan
It's not "moral decay"; it's "entitlement"...or do I mean "enlightenment"
Us old fogies might say it's moral decay but the younger crowd would say it's progression and evolution.
It's what the current generation wants and tolerates.
One day the current generation will be the older generation saying the same thing of the generation after them.
It was once forbidden for women to wear pants in public.
Now it's totally acceptable to see a pregnant high school students in the year book with them having their own "Pregnant" page full of pictures.
Yep. Times change.
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NO!
How about we DONT correct for that. Thats the problem with your half baked logic and idiotic reasoning is you think you can correct and adjust variables until the facts fit your argument.
Oh and the red states get more welfare than blue states BS has already been de bunked when you look at the actual numbers of people who recieve welfare. The lazy slobs in ny detroit chi LA are are glomming down on that stuff compared to the white trash in S Dakota
This nation is in moral decay just as much as it was back in the 1950s.
We're not decaying so stop acting ignorant and asinine. Just enjoy the country you take advantage of without giving anything back - it's the perusual thing you do, OP.
Nonsense. Humans ARE born with inherent morals. What's the sense of claiming that we're higher animals on the evolutionary scale if we aren't at least born with a sense of morality? This is interesting:
Because maybe the only difference between us and other animals on the food scale is we can rationalize much further than lower animals to get food?
I can't sit here and tell you that part of human evolution is the want to make sure every human lives unimpeded and as they wish...that just might be in conflict with the life cycle. What gives a human the right to live? When is it right/wrong to control how long people reproduce?
The study is interesting but that's about it. It doesn't really make a strong correlation towards morality. Just a loose one.
As for the "dry humping," again, teens are sexual just like everyone else. One should come to expect experimentation. It's really not a big ass deal.
EDIT: And dry humping isn't a big deal to me per se....it's the open promotion of it. I understand kids will be kids. But I will never condone viral marketing of middle school aged kids grinding their goods on each other.
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What you describe is part of the loosening of morals. It's happened. It is, in fact, the loosening of morals. Saying children shouldn't act a certain way, calling such activity inappropriate, is nowadays often retorted with some sort of liberal-ish rhetoric that suggests it's okay and that the person speaking up and calling out inappropriate-ness is the one with the problem.
My point is that this loosening of morals--if that is the right term for it--is a result of increased sexualization of young children by commercial interests looking to expand their markets. It is not the result of political ideology. When I was a teenager (I am 43 now), there was no such thing as Cosmogirl magazine or thongs made to fit 12-year-olds. The sexualization of youth is exactly what feminists and other liberals fought AGAINST, not for.
My point is that this loosening of morals--if that is the right term for it--is a result of increased sexualization of young children by commercial interests looking to expand their markets. It is not the result of political ideology. When I was a teenager (I am 43 now), there was no such thing as Cosmogirl magazine or thongs made to fit 12-year-olds. The sexualization of youth is exactly what feminists and other liberals fought AGAINST, not for.
Many types of people fit under the liberal 'progressive' banner and the feminists who went against the sexual objectification of women tended to also run magazine editorial boards that made smart, successful women wear glasses and professional attire.. and look sexy all the while. That it would naturally start filtering to adolecent age groups is no surprise considering the enforced saturation of the feminist message from the '70's, into the '80's. Then Madonna exploded all over the place and few feminists didn't lavish praise upon her, other than maybe Dworkin.
Anything goes when promoting freedom and hypocrisy is expected. What else happens when a Britney Spears and Lady Gaga are nothing more than upright role-models there but to be as callous as businessmen and just as rapacious when it comes to wealth & advertising greed? Well, now we have 12-year-olds in hot pants and Honey Boo Boo & her mommie to replace Snooki.
Markets are markets and there are still some ancient feminists who are so nebulous as to hate Hefner considering what it is he actually did for women by helping to unleash their sexuality. What has it become, this marketization? It has achieved a reversal of once-traditional mores concerning sex that has naturally reached children as it is broadcast from every tower & satellite without censor or guidance from those who once guided & protected children from derelict influences, their parents and their community.
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Sounds like someone's still bitter over not getting laid in middle school.
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This nation is in moral decay just as much as it was back in the 1950s.
We're not decaying so stop acting ignorant and asinine. Just enjoy the country you take advantage of without giving anything back - it's the perusual thing you do, OP.
Yup, everything was going to hell in a handbasket with those kids and their blue jeans, strawberry phosphates, and Bobby Darin records.
This is not complicated. For men, sartorial good taste can be reduced to one rule: If Fred Astaire would not have worn it, don't wear it. For women, substitute Grace Kelly.
Edmund Burke -- what he would have thought of the denimization of America can be inferred from his lament that the French Revolution assaulted "the decent drapery of life"; it is a straight line from the fall of the Bastille to the rise of denim -- said: "To make us love our country, our country ought to be lovely." Ours would be much more so if supposed grown-ups would heed St. Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, and St. Barack's inaugural sermon to the Americans, by putting away childish things, starting with denim.
Oh wait, that was 2009, and George Will is an idiot.
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