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Old 01-04-2013, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Well you and your ilk are a one-size-fits-all kind of people. You simply throw yourself out there with signs all over yourselves saying you want universal equality. Now that you're finally starting to understand what that means you want to puke all over yourselves and call it something else so that you can play the game of Self Delusion and act like it's the game of Life.
You are so wrong you couldn't be wronger!!! LOL. I have 8 grown up kids and they all have good jobs. My oldest is a trama specialist MD and my youngest is an apple rep in a retail store. As far as pay for service goes those two are lightyears apart and so they should be. The apple rep makes just over $20 an hour and the Dr. makes a few hundred an hour.

What I do understand very well is there are way too many people working for way to little renumeration. Our minumum wage here is just over $10 an hour and it should be at least 15- 20 per hour. If you want your country to become the Mexico north, then go ahead, make my day but it ain't gonna happen here.
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:08 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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No it's the facts.

"Walmart's employees receive $2.66 billion in government help every year, or about $420,000 per store. They are also the top recipients of Medicaid in numerous states. Why does this occur? Walmart fails to provide a livable wage and decent healthcare benefits, costing U.S. taxpayers an annual average of $1.02 billion in healthcare costs. This direct public subsidy is being given to offset the failures of an international corporate giant who shouldn’t be shifting part of its labor costs onto the American taxpayers."


Daily Kos: Walmart: America's real 'Welfare Queen'
Walmart would be better advised to provide free financial counseling to their employees so that they would learn to better handle the money they have.

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Old 01-04-2013, 08:55 PM
 
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Walmart would be better advised to provide free financial counseling to their employees so that they would learn to better handle the money they have.

20yrsinbranson
Walmart is not about to provide anyone with free financial counseling. They don't do anything for free. This isn't a spending problem by anyone other than Walmart, a rich corporation, refusing to pay their workers enough so they can feed themselves.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:00 PM
 
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You are so wrong you couldn't be wronger!!! LOL. I have 8 grown up kids and they all have good jobs. My oldest is a trama specialist MD and my youngest is an apple rep in a retail store. As far as pay for service goes those two are lightyears apart and so they should be. The apple rep makes just over $20 an hour and the Dr. makes a few hundred an hour.

What I do understand very well is there are way too many people working for way to little renumeration. Our minumum wage here is just over $10 an hour and it should be at least 15- 20 per hour. If you want your country to become the Mexico north, then go ahead, make my day but it ain't gonna happen here.
I can't understand how you managed to raise 8 children.

Follow closely....If low wage pay scale were 50 to 100% higher, YOUR dollars would have less value.

(nice spelling BTW)
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:03 PM
 
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Walmart is not about to provide anyone with free financial counseling. They don't do anything for free. This isn't a spending problem by anyone other than Walmart, a rich corporation, refusing to pay their workers enough so they can feed themselves.
Like with any business, Walmart is not responsible for providing a "fair wage".

They post a job opening. You take it or leave it.

Easy-peasy.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:22 PM
 
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You are so wrong you couldn't be wronger!!! LOL. I have 8 grown up kids and they all have good jobs. My oldest is a trama specialist MD and my youngest is an apple rep in a retail store. As far as pay for service goes those two are lightyears apart and so they should be. The apple rep makes just over $20 an hour and the Dr. makes a few hundred an hour.

What I do understand very well is there are way too many people working for way to little renumeration. Our minumum wage here is just over $10 an hour and it should be at least 15- 20 per hour. If you want your country to become the Mexico north, then go ahead, make my day but it ain't gonna happen here.
This world wide wage disparity problem isn't just an American problem. You'll soon start to see it and your kids will see it too. This is history not a text message. Things happen on a long and protracted scale.

You can't seriously think your children's lives are going to stay static when doctors and Apple sales people's salaries sustain their lifestyles forever?

You fail to realize that information is traveling at the speed of light right here and now and even a doctors's wages are being challenged. Your people and economy are doing the same as all western "civilized" economies are doing and they're adjusting to deal with people who are just as we'll trained and are willing to work for much less than the historical standard.

But none of that really matters in the short term. Your highly skilled offspring will be challenged but at a much slower rate than the hour offspring who have jobs that are easily trained for.

This is a world wide bottom up growth and about the only thing in low supply and high demand are highly skilled jobs. Simple raising the minimum wage will excasserbate that problem and will cause change much quicker.

You see, what's happening right now exactly mimics the laws of physics, specifically the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

The second law is concerned with entropy (S). Entropy is produced by all processes and associated with the entropy production is the loss of ability to do work. The second law says that the entropy of the universe increases. An increase in overall disorder is therefore spontaneous. If the volume and energy of a system are constant, then every change to the system increases the entropy. If volume or energy change, then the entropy of the system actually decrease. However, the entropy of the universe does not decrease.

As you can see you can focus energy to slow down entropy but only for so long and there's no going back. It took billions of years to get to where you are now, to get to a point where life is even possible but that rate, like the universe' rate of expansion is increasing.

Think of it as the rate of entropy increasing which is to say the rate of disorder is increasing. It might not look that way to you on a micro level but when you think about the possibility of thousands of cultures intermingling it should make more sense. You can't combine thousands of ways of thinking into one pretty little equation.

Anyways, this is long and protracted and even demand for doctors will decrease as the world changes and its population stagnates and starts to decline. The world's population has been boomin for quite some time but it's just a matter of time before the center of Earth's population boom grows out of extreme poverty and starts correct.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:23 PM
 
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Like with any business, Walmart is not responsible for providing a "fair wage".

They post a job opening. You take it or leave it.

Easy-peasy.
As long as you're ok subsidizing their profits.
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Old 01-05-2013, 02:20 AM
 
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No it's the facts.

"Walmart's employees receive $2.66 billion in government help every year, or about $420,000 per store. They are also the top recipients of Medicaid in numerous states. Why does this occur? Walmart fails to provide a livable wage and decent healthcare benefits, costing U.S. taxpayers an annual average of $1.02 billion in healthcare costs. This direct public subsidy is being given to offset the failures of an international corporate giant who shouldn’t be shifting part of its labor costs onto the American taxpayers."


Daily Kos: Walmart: America's real 'Welfare Queen'



Walmart pays a legal wage, those jobs are taken willingly.

That is the whole story.
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Old 01-05-2013, 03:52 AM
 
Location: Florida
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As long as you're ok subsidizing their profits.

WalMart....and all other minimum wage employers(why does everybody forget or ignore that WM is not the only one????) is neither forcing people to work for certain wages nor is it responsible for whatever expenses it's employees cannot afford nor do these companies require that their employees apply for gov't benefits.
They advise the employees that need more, how they can obtain it.
Not all do. The people that these jobs are suited for.....young, inexperienced, second extra income & part timers do not need benefits.

Understanding that jobs are harder to get right now, the main point stands.
If few would take a job at WM & other minimum wage employers, how much do you think the offering pay would go up?
Complain to your elected represenatives.
If all the welfare benefits were not available, people would be more apt to refuse these jobs or, and more likely, they would find the necessary means of living with that pay scale.
It can be done....it used to be done. Masses of people were not falling over in the streets from starvation, as some would have you believe.
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Old 01-05-2013, 05:07 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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When Walmart gets breaks in state and local taxes then if I live in that state I, as a taxpayer, am subsidizing Walmart. If Walmart employees are forced to rely on Food stamps then, once again, the taxpayer is subsidizing the Waltons.
How much of a break? Does it mean they pay nothing? 50%? 75%?

Is this ALL taxes or just property taxes?

If their taxes would be 350 million, and they get a 50% break, then they are still paying 175 Million. How much are you subsidizing? Not a drop, because if they were not there in the first place, then you would see NOTHING from them in the way of taxes.
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