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Originally Posted by TheEternalSanctuaryMan
To some.
I say it is fear mostly. And with so many changes going on from the tech revolution & the re-orientation to a globally-run environment, old-school types feel lost which naturally changes to fear that reacts with hate directed toward easy and traditional objects of scorn. It is natural and folks do have the right to be afraid & voice their concerns & opinions no matter how injurious they may be or seem to be.
Understood re: folks right to their fears and prejudices. Unfortunately I can't think of any instance in which things ever improve by encouraging the negative. Social disapproval is a powerful force, and arguably the South still remains such a stubborn haven for prejudice and racism, precisely because it's so tolerated there (kinda like kudzu)!
because after religious people don't help in their forbidden "Wedding" religious people get sued by gay terrorists.
Terrorists?
When was the last time we heard about a gay-bombing?
Don't equate people fighting PEACEFULLY for RIGHTS with people murdering innocent people to further a political cause.
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it's forbidden by Jewish law to rent my property for a "wedding" between 2 members of the same sex. What is and is not Judaism will not be decided by some liberal anti Semite on a computer, but by Jewish sources.
Location: NYC based - Used to Live in Philly - Transplant from Miami
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Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim
"Voluntary reactions"?
Avoiding evil is a "voluntary reaction" only if embracing evil is a legitimate option. Besides, your side isn't giving us the option of "not knowing about it". You shove it in our faces and demand that we cry "uncle".
Excuse me.
I think it is YOU GUYS who shove your ideology down our throats! Dude, this is 2013, wake up!
Let them do whatever they want! They don't have to follow your ideology and teaching!
I don't think you know the meaning of Freedom of Religion. It doesn't give you the right to violate secular laws, just because your religion dictates it.
You mean Secular (capital S) laws. Secularism is essentially a substitute religion.
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Originally Posted by Fiyero
By your logic, Satanists should be able to sacrifice children because it's part of their religious beliefs, and our laws making murder illegal are a violation of their Freedom of Religion.
Actually, you make a very good point Fiyero. We on the pro-marriage side need to adjust our political vocabulary. Religious liberty is a means to an end, not an end itself, and is only valuable insofar as it liberates truth, goodness, and virtue. Otherwise it's just another form of tyranny.
Freedom of religion has limits. But what you fail to recognize is that those limits are implicitly determined by religion itself. In the end, the state must either favor a particular religion, whether explicitly or implicitly, or favor an ideology that functions as a religion - e.g., Secularism.
A regime of same-sex "marriage" is evil not only because it privileges gravely immoral behaviors condemned by true religious doctrine, which is bad enough, but more importantly because it creates a regime of lies where the truth is literally suppressed and punished. The religious freedom issue is secondary.
You mean Secular (capital S) laws. Secularism is essentially a substitute religion.
Really? What god(s) does the Secular religion worship? What holy book(s) do they ascribe to? Where can I find one of their churches?
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A regime of same-sex "marriage" is evil not only because it privileges gravely immoral behaviors condemned by true religious doctrine, which is bad enough, but more importantly because it creates a regime of lies where the truth is literally suppressed and punished. The religious freedom issue is secondary.
Civil marriage is whatever the law says it is. If the law says same sex couples can marry, then their marriages are legal and valid, regardless of how you wish to view the situation. YOUR freedom of religion does not empower you to enforce YOUR religious laws upon to the rest of us.
Don't want a same sex marriage? Don't get one. Problem solved!
In the end, the state must either favor a particular religion, whether explicitly or implicitly, or favor an ideology that functions as a religion - e.g., Secularism. .
So you oppose the U.S. Constitution and the Founding Fathers? I hope you one day find a country who's principles you can agree with then. I hear Iran is looking for people who like state-sponsored religion.
You mean Secular (capital S) laws. Secularism is essentially a substitute religion.
Really now? Okay, I want you to read this very, very slowly so that you can grasp the idea behind it:
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Secularism (what a ridiculous notion) is NOT an established religion and the very idea that people who adhere to secular rules and laws are somehow a substitute religion is just outrageous and immensely false.
Really? What god(s) does the Secular religion worship?
Secularism is the cult of Man. It's unholy trinity is Will (Desire), Pleasure, and Material Comfort. Thou shalt have no other gods before these.
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What holy book(s) do they ascribe to?
The canon of Secularism consists of the works of Rousseau, Nietzsche, Locke, Marx, Keynes, Freud, Darwin, and Dewey.
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Where can I find one of their churches?
The church of Secularism is the State.
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Civil marriage is whatever the law says it is.
No it isn't. A civil marriage is simply a real marriage acknowledged by the state, or it isn't a marriage at all.
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