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Old 01-04-2013, 01:35 AM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim View Post
Not necessarily. If they can't freely consent, they can't freely refuse either. So what's the problem?
I really hope you're just saying this to make a point, and don't actually need it to be explained.

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That's what y'all told us way back when the homosexualists were pushing for domestic partnerships, and we said that domestic partnerships would lead to demands for same-sex "marriage". Turns out that slope was pretty slippery after all.
Yeah, because domestic partnerships didn't deliver the EQUAL rights & benefits awarded to married straight couples... if they did, maybe this issue wouldn't have even materialized. As for the slippery slope theories, I still maintain they're dumb - otherwise we'd already have slipped really far down, since these arguments have been used against change (everything from suffrage to civil rights) for centuries now. We just have to trust that society will draw its own lines, and even if they're not to your liking, they will be drawn in a way that's fair to everyone. Last time I checked, rape wasn't fair.

 
Old 01-04-2013, 01:39 AM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Sure you did. I quoted you without any modification.

Why are liberals so apt to LIE?
Nobody is lying, you just didn't follow the conversation properly... hammertime didn't bring up non-consensual relationships (or make any claims about them), WP did.

Why are conservatives so apt get confused?
 
Old 01-04-2013, 01:40 AM
 
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Sure you did. I quoted you without any modification.

Why are liberals so apt to LIE?
How in God's name did any words of mine you quoted assert that non-consensual marriages are being enforced???

The only things I said about non-consensual marriages were in response to WP's claims that allowing gay marriage will lead to consent being removed as a requirement for marriage. I said such a claim is absurd, and any such laws allowing non-consensual marriages would be unconstitutional (in other words, unenforceable).

That you could read something so bass-ackwards is flabbergasting. Are you drunk or on narcotic medication?
 
Old 01-04-2013, 01:41 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Originally Posted by gizmo980 View Post
I really hope you're just saying this to make a point, and don't actually need it to be explained.



Yeah, because domestic partnerships didn't deliver the EQUAL rights & benefits awarded to married straight couples... if they did, maybe this issue wouldn't have even materialized. As for the slippery slope theories, I still maintain they're dumb - otherwise we'd already have slipped really far down, since these arguments have been used against change (everything from suffrage to civil rights) for centuries now. We just have to trust that society will draw its own lines, and even if they're not to your liking, they will be drawn in a way that's fair to everyone. Last time I checked, rape wasn't fair.
You are comparing the dispicable act of rape to same sex marriage?

Huh?

 
Old 01-04-2013, 01:45 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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I asserted no such thing.
Yes, you did.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 01:47 AM
 
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Yes, you did.
Hahaha. And you call me a liar.

Where did I? Quote me. Please, show and explain where I did.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 01:55 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Hahaha. And you call me a liar.

Where did I? Quote me. Please, show and explain where I did.
See post's 290 and 281.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/27614659-post281.html
https://www.city-data.com/forum/27614738-post290.html
 
Old 01-04-2013, 01:56 AM
 
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Marriage is not only about sex. Sexual attraction does not entail marriage.
In many (probably most) cultures, even romance between young people has no status in marriage at all.

A man being sexually attracted to other men does not entail the privilege of marriage, which is a social concept and a legal concept.

I don't want to talk about moral issues here but from a legal perspective, it creates many problems. For example, we will have to give green cards to foreign men who marry American men.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 01:58 AM
 
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So you can't. In neither of those posts do I say anything remotely close to asserting that non-consensual marriages are being enforced.

Good lord. Cut your losses and stop digging this hole.
 
Old 01-04-2013, 02:01 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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So you can't. In neither of those posts do I say anything remotely close to asserting that non-consensual marriages are being enforced.

Good lord. Cut your losses and stop digging this hole.
You are denying facts.

You self identify as a liberal.

Why am I not surprised?
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