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Old 01-02-2013, 05:38 PM
 
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What the hell?

Under the name of national security - everything is kept hidden. Where is the Transparency?

Link: NY Times loses bid to uncover details on drone strikes - Yahoo! News
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Old 01-02-2013, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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What the hell?

Under the name of national security - everything is kept hidden. Where is the Transparency?

Link: NY Times loses bid to uncover details on drone strikes - Yahoo! News
What part of the phrase "national security" do you honestly not understand?
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Old 01-03-2013, 05:31 AM
 
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What part of the phrase "national security" do you honestly not understand?
I don't...Please explain!
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Old 01-03-2013, 05:48 AM
 
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It means that because it's sensitive information that will help the enemy it will not be made public, don't be surprised if there is still things held as secrets going back to WW1 or even before. That information only comes into he public domain once it's no longer relevant. A government cannot operate with a certain amount secrecy.
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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What part of the phrase "national security" do you honestly not understand?
What part of the Pentagon Papers do you not understand?

I mean you are the "HistorianDude," right?

Just because the government claims something is a "matter of National Security" it does not logically follow that it is.

In fact, 9 times out of 10 it has nothing to do with National Security at all and everything to do with National Embarrassment.

Were the secret illegal radiation experiments conducted without the knowledge or consent of the patients or their families a matter of National Security?

Hell, no, but it was a matter of National Embarrassment.....the mere fact that the US conducts illegal secret experiments on its own citizens and then doesn't even have the guts to compensate them.

Were the test shots conducted on US soil a matter of National Security?

Hell, no. People used to sit atop the roofs of hotels in Vegas and Reno and watch them. The government refused to release the documents as a matter of National Embarrassment....because soldiers were used as guinea pigs and exposed to prompt radiation, then when they became ill, the government didn't want to pay VA disability benefits. Likewise, Congress did not want to compensate New Jersey residents for fall-out exposure that caused rampant thyroid cancer in New Jersey residents.

Were the chemical weapons stored in Germany a matter of National Security?

National Embarrassment.

Kennedy secretly ordered the chemical weapons to be placed there without the knowledge or consent of the German government. Then when they started leaking there was no way to remove them without both the cooperation and assistance of the German government, as well as making them aware of the fact that the US had secretly placed weapons there.

And since you're right smack in the middle of the whole Pershing II/BGM-109G thing, the German government is not going to approve the deployment of Pershings and GLCMs knowing the US lied to them....and the German people, well, it goes without saying they'd be running around screaming like a raped ape.

And because Kennedy lied, soldiers lives were needlessly placed at risk to exposure to nerve agents.

If you reviewed the Wikileaks documents, not one stinking document was even remotely related to National Security. At most it was National Embarrassment, like how Obama illegally overthrew the Honduran government in 2009.

I can ramble through 100s of issues that were deemed to be a "matter of National Security" when in fact it had nothing to do with National Security.

Rejecting...

Mircea
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